Sleater-Kinney breaks up

I'm sure people overbought- I'm sure someone will be trying to get rid of a few in the meantime.

No California dates. :(

They promised to add dates! Did that already happen?

Obvious Coachella (and more, very likely) is obvious

No Southern dates at all, although that doesn't rule out a second leg built around Bonaroo or ACL fest later this year.

I mean, later NEXT year.

http://lareviewofbooks.org/essay/three-hard-way-return-sleater-kinney

stopped reading at

As in Susan Sontag’s appalling statement, before anyone had claimed responsibility, that 9/11 was the result of “specific American alliances and actions” (none specific enough for Sontag to actually mention),

As did I.

Be glad you both missed the next sentence, then.

omg

have never been able to shake the feeling that this band was strictly for people who missed the first wave of riot grrl bands

Be glad you both missed the next sentence, then.

― Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:47 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just read it. Holy shit. Fuck that fucking guy.

yeah editor should have flagged that as totally unnecessary

lol sorry guys, i posted that before reading beyond the first few paragraphs

also failed to notice the byline which should have alerted me that what initially appeared to be a pleasant celebration of a band i like would inevitably devolve into random toxic potshots from a notorious crank

Yeah, Geez dude.

This bit was good, articulating how it felt getting introduced to their music:

But fuck goodness and decency. Sleater-Kinney was one of those things that sometimes happens in rock ’n’ roll when you are shaken to the core by a band or by a song the moment you hear it because, you suddenly realize, you have always wanted to hear this very thing, even if such a thing were previously unimaginable.

^^Dude=Taylor

really feel like S-K as a band inspires that kind of drivel--not that it's their fault but Cheesy Rice do people freak out over them

have never been able to shake the feeling that this band was strictly for people who missed the first wave of riot grrl bands
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lmao paternalistic bullshit

I like S-K better than most of the first wave of RG, tbh. They always reminded me of Fugazi, super-tight arrangements, awesome hooks. I think every time I saw them live I left thinking how lucky we all were to have them.

What, say, The Hot Rock or The Woods has to do with Bikini Kill I have no idea

they're women duh

but then i didn't need first wave riot girl either cuz i'd already heard heart

never been able to shake the feeling that cat power was for ppl who'd missed out on suzi quattro

One Beat bit aside (and he does try "to be fair," but goes on awhile), seems like most of this is right-on testimonial: if I'd never heard S-K, would do so after or while reading, and not be disappointed. If you write up front political lyrics, expect pushback (suspect they did, though some musos seem all amazed)

i've never been able to shake the feeling that neko case was for ppl who'd missed out on amelia earhart

no denying Julia Holter is for ppl who'd missed out on Hildegard of Bingen

Earhart? Meh after the girl on the White Rock bottle (she's already *there,* flygirl).

Sleater-Kinney boxed sets are certainly for people who missed out on Sleater-Kinney.

Mary Magdalene, get your ticket from Lilith.

can't say I share Shakey's opinion on this one but given that S-K were borne out of the tail end of riot grrrl's first wave I think the heavy-handed clink-y satire in response is a bit misplaced

I didn't say my feeling was justified btw. although when I read things like "Sleater-Kinney was one of those things that sometimes happens in rock ’n’ roll when you are shaken to the core by a band or by a song the moment you hear it because, you suddenly realize, you have always wanted to hear this very thing, even if such a thing were previously unimaginable" I suspect in some cases it is.

I am not overly familiar with their ouevre. I heard their first album when it came out and saw them play live maybe a couple years later where I was accosted by a v drunk punk girl who yelled at me for not dancing (she then dragged another friend of mine into the pit where she subsequently punched somebody and got thrown out). idk I just didn't respond to them.

many xp

that's an example of Taylor's hyperbolic writing (drenched in Kael). I'm pretty sure he'd heard Essential Logic.

I'm glad some of you guys are excited about having a totally ahistorical position on where the band came from though, nicely done. asserting that I was associating them with riot grrl simply because they're women is p fuckin stupid.

I do kind of wonder if the press at the time would've made space for S-K without Bikini Kill going into "media blackout" around the same time that S-K's first album came out. It felt like the rock press was like "well, we can't right about those angry punk women anymore OH LOOK these ladies fit the bill perfectly!" (and conveniently happen to be less confrontational/more willing to make standard industry moves)

xp

again I'm not knocking the band, they're fine whatever. but when people hyperventilate about them like they are THE GREATEST WOMEN IN ROCK EVER and unlike anything that came before I get kinda uhhhhh

can't right? wtf can't write

Yes sk is related to riot girl, but i would say suggesting that sk is old hat if you've heard bikini kill is pretty fuckin stupid too

"Im not saying ALL women are the same geez just women of that age and social background!"

"well, we can't right about those angry punk women anymore OH LOOK these ladies fit the bill perfectly!" (and conveniently happen to be less confrontational/more willing to make standard industry moves)

xp

― Οὖτις, Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:56 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag

yes...how "convenient" for them *strokes beard*

http://www.jeremybrett.info/forum/images/smilies/sh.gif

dude croup give it up you are smarter than this

Sleater Kinney is certainly more accessible than most riot grrrl associated acts out there. Does that clear anything up?

lol shakey who's the one getting shit here? you made a glib statement based on minimal information (as you explained in defensive detail afterwards), people unsympathetically made fun of you for it. deaaaalll

there's definitely a lot of hype around s-k and i'd say it was all downhill after dig me out, but if you genuinely don't know what makes them different than first wave riot girl read one of the umpteen musical appreciations of them from writers who've heard it all.

I'm fine w it but it would be cool if you could stop pretending like S-K bears no relation to riot grrl beyond white members with boobs, which is just disingenuous and wasn't what I was saying at all and you know it

xp

would also be nice to bear in mind that this was all in the context of that Taylor piece which is full of bullshit (literally writing as if he had never heard angry women w guitars before) and is what prompted my post in the first place

yeah yeah somebody said some dumb shit so you said some dumb shit (have never been able to shake the feeling that this band was strictly for people who missed the first wave of riot grrl bands - it's the "strictly" that really did you in) and people got mean

again, deaaaaaalllll

do you not have an emoticon/anigif to go along w that

i can find you a "damn kids" one if you like

again I'm not knocking the band, they're fine whatever. but when people hyperventilate about them like they are THE GREATEST WOMEN IN ROCK EVER and unlike anything that came before I get kinda uhhhhh

― Οὖτις, Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:57 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So fucking true. Get over it everyone