I don't know what they mean when they say 'swing hard' anyway. Rolling Jazz Dflat 2014 Thread

Jazz Night In America starts tonight, streaming live 9 EST, but other options exist; here's the deelio:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/ablogsupreme/2014/10/08/353041054/what-is-jazz-night-in-america

Would love to go see Kirk Lightsey at Mezzrow but not sure I can make it.

thousand + comment fb discussions re this:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/miles-daviss-jazz-masterpiece-kind-of-blue-is-redone-1412699010

This is great, and about all I need to read about it for now

After listening to a few songs from “Blue,” drummer Jimmy Cobb, the only surviving member of the “Kind of Blue” sextet, agreed. “These guys are proficient—I thought they were us at first—but I don’t hear the human part, the individual sound and feel I lived with on those sessions,” he said. “But, hey, classical has been doing this for centuries—playing the notes someone else wrote. If these guys took the time to do this, the music must mean something to them.”

Some of the things I've seen musicians post about that Blue album have been so staggeringly ignorant, it's actually made me never want to listen to their music again.

Yeah I have been in a few of those thousand comment facebook threads about that record. Kind of shocked at how much press/discussion it's generating actually. It's even sort of encouraging in a way.

Also it gave me a little pause to suddenly realize that there's only one living member of the original KOB sextet.

You didn't know that?

Also, Ted Dunbar did not play on Kind of Blue.

sorry

Texas Ted did however instruct the guitar play in Phish at one point, apparently.

https://soundcloud.com/bk-music-pr/all-blues-mostly-other-people-do-the-killing

It actually fools me at certain moments, less so at others. There's something too halting/not loose enough about the drumming, and it's pretty impossible to capture miles' sound, or cannonball's sound (though this one is probably the closest), or coltrane's sound, and there are moments that are exciting on the original that just aren't somehow here. Interesting exercise, and they apparently spent several years working up to it.

You didn't know that?

― Thus We Frustrate Kid Charlemagne (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, October 19, 2014 10:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I knew all those guys were dead, individually, I had just never put it all together

I find all the people rushing to take this down a little tiresome -- maybe they should rush to take down the thousands of boring, retread, idea-less jazz albums that come out every year!

OK, listening to that soundcloud "All Blues" right now and it sounds pretty darn close so far. Guess it is kind of an interesting idea. What inspired it? Borges? Oldies rerecords on Spotify? Not exactly shocked or stunned that jazz guys don't like it as it goes against the grain of the basic jazz aesthetic.

Here is interview where Phish guy mentions Ted D: http://www.believermag.com/issues/201107/?read=interview_anastasio

Okay, I've traced the Borges and... it's coming from the liner notes!

As Richard Brody says, "I'd like to hear this set for what it is and what it purports to be"---amazing collection, amazing price, heralded by classic typo:http://www.amazon.com/Twelve-Classical-Bums-Eric-Dolphy/dp/B00NW6KONW/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1413776290&sr=1-1&keywords=eric+dolphy

lol

There's something too halting/not loose enough about the drumming

Apart from the general concept, the biggest criticism of the fb pals criticizing it was Kevin Shea's drumming

The rhythm section in general... during the solos the piano/drums/bass sound like they're reading off charts rather than the original where Evans especially is reacting to and carrying out a dialogue with the soloists. Maybe that's part of the point - by trying to do note for note they end up highlighting the hard stuff.

(Xpost) thought that was a Yoko Ono movie.

xp I have a feeling we were on the same facebook thread

Prepon
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“@Carrie_Rachel:woke up 2 news my band #sleaterkinney back together and that we have a new record coming out in 2015.” No,sorry

oops wrong thread!

duh

huh the Kind of Blue reconstruction is pretty interesting, although i can't see listening to it more than once. this is a good interview about it: http://www.popmatters.com/feature/185662-kind-of-kind-of-blue-a-conversation-with-mostly-other-people-do-the-/

atlantic piece isn't bad either
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/10/when-is-a-miles-davis-record-not-jazz/381983/2

this "spirit of malombo" compilation of south african jazz by the julian bahula / philip tabane brain trust is really killer

http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/id908767773

really love the stripped-down sounds of the first disc

Miles Davis Albums From Worst To Best. I wrote this for Stereogum. Studio albums only. Skip to the end if you want to get really mad really fast.

I randomly wound up on the facebook thread started by Russell Malone about "favorite jazz drumming moments" and contributors wound up including Jason Moran, Jason Marsalis, Ralph Peterson, George Coleman. Started putting together a Spotify playlist of all the selections I could find -- it's a little unwieldy and I may cull it a little but I'll post it when ready.

George Coleman Père ou Fils?

Hmm, I have to go back and look at the profile pic, didn't occur to me

Miles Davis Albums From Worst To Best. I wrote this for Stereogum. Studio albums only. Skip to the end if you want to get really mad really fast.

― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, November 6, 2014 12:21 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

#1 most baffling thing to me about your list is Get Up With It at #7. Neat record but so not a top 10 imo.

#2 is On The Corner at #1.

(xp)Sure it is must be GCJr, whom you and your wife met once, if you recall. Seemed to recall she dropped her phone in some water on that occasion, iirc. In any case, he is usually my entree to such FB threads.

Skip to the end if you want to get really mad really fast

Looking for records that featured the unsung drummer Arthur Edgehill has been reminding me how much I love those old organ group records where they would use an organ AND a bass -- I feel like that kind of died out some time in the 60s, probably partly for financial reasons and partly because of the technical prowess of guys like Jimmy Smith, but I love the sound of an old churchy jazz organ over a bouncy upright bass line -- Shirley Scott, Wild Bill Davis, etc. Feel like it's sort of a forgotten corner of jazz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McXLl0mtTao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7pLfOHzLM8

Spoke too soon. Can't find that drumming thread.

u mean this one
Drum geek sick chops youtube thread

No silly, on FB.

ohhhh, was confused, anyway it's on Russell Malone's page. He's a jazz guitarist I like btw, I was pretty into him in high school/college.

Are you an FB fan, friend or follower.
?

I think he's just friends with a couple musicians I am friends with so he came up in my feed when they commented on it.

The bassist I played with in high school tours the world with Roy Hargrove now and is becoming a bit of a heavy, so he's my fb connection to lots of big name dudes.

Okay, I found it. I see some familiar names,including Willard Dyson, who I just recently discovered. If I counted right,think the most posting on the thread is from you.

Have you ever met Russell IRL? He is really nice.

I haven't. Sometimes I think if I ever take lessons again (and am willing to drop $$$ on it) he's a guy I might holler at

Do you still have an electric guitar? Also I saw at least one other guitar player on that particular thread, Dan Adler. I believe he has a day job designing computer chips and/or algorithms. Israeli too, as far as I know. Maybe he will give you special rate.

I have a cheap electric guitar that I happen to like a lot (a Johnson). I don't have a hollow-body anymore.

I never liked my 90s Epiphone full-hollow anyway so I sold it a while back, figuring if I ever got back into jazz I'd just buy something nicer.

Does he even give lessons? I guess you could FB message him and find out. My understanding of the pricing is that generally guys who play lots of gigs usually charge $100 for an hour or so lesson- this is for any instrument- and they will schedule a lesson if and when they have time.