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and there have been two lookalikes of me reported by ILXers in the last fortnight as well

PORTENTS PEOPLE! PORTENTS! ICH BIN EIN DOPPELGANGER

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link

Kate will be overjoyed...

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

I know who you should call.

http://www.jagweb.com/jaguarmodelclub/TVjags/Quadrophenia-1.jpg

Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago) link

uh oh

http://unit.bjork.com/77island/77island/images/alarmcall61big.jpg

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

God whatever happened to the Crash Test Dummies?

Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

Forget them, what about Chocolate Milk?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:20 (twenty years ago) link

mmmmmmmm...morphine

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:21 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.mountainmantaxidermy.com/images/gallery/BeesNestBlackBear.jpg

hahaha... the evil Stevem walked into the ILX bees nest!

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

I can see how remote linking can be seen as wrong, but I still can't see how it's illegal. Copyright refers to the duplication of material. Mr Steve's pictures aren't being copied (except in the sense that all pictures on the internet are copied in order to arrive at the browser screen). Ally just provided an alternative route to them to the one on your webpage.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:54 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't the problem here that he pays for bandwidth, so if we use his bandwidth then it's costing him money? Or do I misunderstand?

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, that's the problem.

The other problem is that it's easier to configure your site so that people can't link images from it than it is to yell at people who link images from your site.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:01 (twenty years ago) link

It's kind of a legal grey area at the moment...

http://news.com.com/2100-1025-1023629.html

We're not really profiting from posting Mr. Evil Stevem's pictures though, so I think we're more likely to fall under fair use.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

I hope to god somethingawful.com never finds this place.

No worries, Allyl. Somethingawful.com, UNLIKE THE ABOVE STEVEM, knows the way of the .htaccess issue, and has a very clever way of dealing with it.

They just replace external image links to a link to a huge pic of a swollen cumming cock-head. Thee best way to teach a lesson, and come out look K-COOL (if not K-CRUEL)

Just ask Chris V.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:28 (twenty years ago) link

yep. giant cock heads everywhere.

Chris V (Chris V), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:30 (twenty years ago) link

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/pg2/2002/0123/photo/a_tyson_i.jpg

"And take your sucky Jr. High photogirl pictures with you you skinny white Ho."

ModJ (ModJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

(Of course, if you just COPY the pics and load it into your own host space, all of the above issues go away.)

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

But that would be a very clear violation of copyright (or are you joking?)

Isn't the problem here that he pays for bandwidth, so if we use his bandwidth then it's costing him money? Or do I misunderstand?

Yeah, but I use his bandwidth by looking at the picture in its original setting too. Much more of it, in fact.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

Well, now with the links down, no one will will be able to know about his images except for the people he told about his site... so... if a tree falls in the woods...

ModJ (ModJ), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

I found an actual pic of the Steve guy though... he looks somewhat familiar..

http://www.wasteoftechnology.com/motw/williamatherton/peck.jpg

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

haha, is that from his site?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

Not THIS version

http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/peck.jpg

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

(if the former goes down, then THERE WILL STILL BE ONE)

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

yep. giant cock heads everywhere.

ilx in a nutshell

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

I wonder if the evil stevem is a dave matthews fan....

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

Oh and when people used to do this to my site, a quick redirect of image leechers to goatse.cx would always stop them.

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

i've been curbing my leeching anyway by doing as donut bitch suggests - saving images, uploading them to my own space and then linking to that instead. if the 'owners' of the image have a problem with that they only have to contact me and request that i either remove it (which i would be extremely reluctant to do but would probably comply) or add a credit to them/the source of the image on the image itself which i am happier to do and that way more people get to see it and its good publicity for them but i still think that's being pedantic. i didn't kick up anywhere near this kind of fuss when some schmuck in California stole my images and design and used them for his own website a few months back. i mailed him and asked him to change it or at least credit me but i got no reply. oh well, some people have no integrity (it wasn't even that great a design tho).

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

http://tfp.killbots.com/scans/181_zoid-dance.gif

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't the problem here that he pays for bandwidth, so if we use his bandwidth then it's costing him money?

Actually he stated numerous times that he didn't give a shit about that so honestly I'm not 100% sure what his issue is besides people seeing his picture without him getting a counter hit on his website. I'd understand more if it was the bandwidth thing, though not really why he was dealing with it in such a fashion (the same shit happens to me all the time and I just don't even give a fuck to be honest, like as been pointed out it's really easy to fix if I cared about it).

Allyzay, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:40 (twenty years ago) link

(haha if he really just wants email, people could go reply to his original thread on the moderator request board and that should satisfy him)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

let's clear one thing up right away: Dave Matthews Band Sucks!

Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 20:41 (twenty years ago) link

OH SNAP NOW YOU DONE IT

Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

You all are too funny. Now I'm having fun...

On the one hand the "other" stevem says he complained when the found out somone was leeching (his word not mine, but mighty appropriate) from their site. And the reason that the he was upset? Because he wasn't getting CREDIT for his work. And you guys say you don't understand what my issue is. I want credit for my work! DAMNIT! I want control of how my artistic output is used. It's my right to have both of those! But then the other stevem goes on to say that rather than leeching now he copies the images and serves them off his web server, and that he *might* (though likely not) stop using the image if the owner comlained. So he's willing to ask someone to stop using his work or give him credit, buy may not afford somone else that same courtesy? Internally inconsistent.

Regarding the bandwidth issue. Just because your message board didn't tax my bandwidth means it is okay to "leech" some of it? By this (failed) logic the next time you go to the ATM and take out a hundred bucks from your overflowing bank account, you won't mind if I reach into your wallet and extract a 20 dollar bill?

It is precisely this attitude of entitlement and open flouting of legal and ethical behavior that I find so offensive. The hypocritical element is just frosting on your cake of moral turpitude. Have you people never heard of the Golden Rule? Did your mommy fail to teach you that it's wrong to take something from somone (even if they have plenty) without their permission? Did your daddy somehow forget to teach you that stealing is wrong? Someone absolutely forgot to impart empathy or responsibility upon you... But judging by your moral development, you're only 10 years old, so there's still hope.

Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, when Netscape first put background images into their spec, they had a "how-to" page with lots of sample images that you could use. In their instructions they encouraged you to link directly to the images on their server.

It's the WORLD WIDE WEB. If you don't want people linking to your images, this is a bad place to keep them.

To paraphrase Chuck D, it's like dropping a whole bunch of M&Ms and freaking out when people pick them up.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

Have you ever heard of politely asking people to do something rather than ranting like a lunatic?

Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

But then we wouldn't have gotten to argue like this, Jon!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

The hypocritical element is just frosting on
your cake of moral turpitude.

When Julia Child and The People's Court combine efforts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago) link

photography isn't art anyways. nothing ever changes.

kephm, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

To be honest, I think we're being a bit disrespectful to Mr Steve. He has a justifiable complaint, and even if he's putting it a bit wankily, I think recognition of what he's saying (and an apology) would be more approrpiate than some of the really nasty sniping. IMHO.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago) link

I suspect, Mark, that had he simply said a few lines asking for the link to be removed -- and noting that he was somewhat angry about it but didn't want to get all hyped up immediately without seeing what the initial reaction would be -- then none of this would have happened, and an apology would be readily and easily given on behalf of the board.

As it is, I now *strongly* wonder if he tries this same sort of tactic every time for every potential link he's gotten.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, and he'll be calling us "want a be's" next.

Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:13 (twenty years ago) link

Like we give one fuck.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

Leonard J Crabs to thread.

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:16 (twenty years ago) link

Richard, people have also politely suggested remedies to his complaint, but he's only angrily and somewhat bizarrely replied THAT SHOULDN'T BE MY RESPONSIBILITY. (Getting back to my house example above, it's like saying "crime is the fault of the criminal and not the victim, therefore, I'm not going to put locks on my home because criminals should know better.") I suspect, like Ned does, that whatever dismay he gets over the theft of his pictures is greatly outweighed by the pleasure he gets complaining about it.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:19 (twenty years ago) link

Richard?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

well,

http://www.deansabatino.com/images/portfolio/portfolio_richard.gif

Kingfish Beatbox (Kingfish), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

Ricardo, whatever.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:29 (twenty years ago) link

Waaitaminute. I've confused a couple people here. My bad.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

OMG it's usenet! RUN!

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

Ricardo, Markelby... YOU ALL LOOK ALIKE

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

Nope, I don't beat the crap outta people like this all the time.. In fact I generally don't give a shit if people try to steal my work. Generally the 2.8 MB image of the lunar surface or some crap like that causes the "offending party" to remove the link. But you guys just don't care. the image Ally intended to steal NEVER worked on this board. My .htaccess file redirected to the big whonking image first time the request came from this stie...

But no, you guys can't take a hint. You've collectively downloaded that big ass file more than 1200 times since August. at a toal bandwidth utilization of about 3.3GB. My site generally pushes about 4 or 5gb+ a day... That's why it's colocated. Regardles of your bandwidth consumption (which would have been significantly lower if you had got the little 640x480 image you were requesting), you are not entitled and have not been granted permission to use my images or bandwidth... Yes, it really is the principle of the matter.

Then when I started looking around and saw how casually and OFTEN you guys steal images, I couldn't believe my eyes! And then there was this "fuck you" attitude of "it's our right to take from you whatever we want" that just amazed me!

So check this shit out... I know you all think I'm whacked outta my gourd... Even if I am whacked outta my gourd, What I'm saying about copyright and usage is real. So here's the real deal:

if you are interested in understanding copyright laws/issues:

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html

pay special attention to the section on inlining in this link:

http://www.templetons.com/brad/linkright.html

It really is a good idea for your guys to responsibly address this issue. Add a link to the front page of the site that says "click here to protest the use of your content" or some such thing. And then nicely remove any protested content. Instead of inlining images, post links to html pages so the owner, creator, person doing the work, gets credit. Ask permission if you want to use an image. Probably 98% of the time, the owner will say, fine. I've only turned down one request for using one of my images, and that guy was a stock broker! Grow up be responsible, put money in a savings account, use condoms when bumping uglies, Don't run with scissors in your hand, don't play leapfrog with unicorns. stop and smell the kine buds... Live love and prosper...

Just don't steal my fucking shit! ;\

Mr_Steve (Mr_Steve), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 21:32 (twenty years ago) link


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