Aerosmith 'Rocks' - the first punk-dub album?

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god, i mean the rave-up at the end of of "Rats in the Cellar" is just freaking mind-blowing. They thought they were their idols the Yardbirds with 20-foot stacks... which they were

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 May 2006 04:30 (seventeen years ago) link

listening ... this might be my fave rock album of all time ... this or Exile... wow

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 19 May 2006 04:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry to be a month late with the response, but I was on tour.

Name a funkier heavy guitar band than Aerosmith? Are you frigging kidding me?

How about P-Funk for starters. Cosmic Slop is 1,000,000 times heavier or funkier than the former bad boys from beantown ever were.

― Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Friday, 19 May 2006 05:13 (seventeen years ago) link

listening on headphones the other night I discovered all this crazy shit going on just underthe music during "Back in the Saddle". Nice work Jack Douglas.

Also, Hamilton's bass playing is underrated. His work is exceptional on this record (as well as on "Toys in the Attic")

― kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Friday, 19 May 2006 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"As to the weirdness of Rocks's mix: Has ANYBODY ever heard any (alleged) banjo ANYWHERE on this record? Credits say Paul Prestopino played one, yet there's nary a trace of one to be found, at least according to my ears...
-- Myonga Von Bontee (scottyfield...), April 14th, 2006."

The banjo's on 'Last Child' but mixed way low in the 'home sweet home' bits, it sounds a little like a voice. And it's played with a slide, just to confuse things a little more.

― dr lulu (dr lulu), Friday, 19 May 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

What is it about spring 2006??? It's like everyone received the brain-signal from deep under the mountain that it's time to listen to Rocks again - just two weeks ago me and some friends of mine put on the vinyl of the first album, Toys in the Attic, Draw the Line and Rocks and when we were finished we played them all again, we could NOT get enough.

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 19 May 2006 14:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Went out on my lunch break and bought the first four Aerosmith discs at Best Buy. Rocks, which I had never heard before in its entirety, is indeed pretty fucking great. These guys were great. What ever happened to them? Why'd they only put out five studio albums and that Live Bootleg thing?

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Eh?

― Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Eh?X2.

― kwhitehead (stephen schmidt), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, as near as I can tell, Aerosmith disappeared completely from the rock landscape sometime in 1979 or so. Which is confusing, because those five albums were great.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:24 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

I just bought a old vinyl copy of Draw the Line...damn this album smokes for some reason I thought it was supposed to be a dud, but this is great stuff! So coked out.

Does anyone have an opinion on Night in the Ruts? I know there's no Perry, but I've always been curious.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Amazing - last time I saw this thread revived I was out of town, visiting parents. And here I am again! Thanks for the reply Dr. Lulu, if yr out there.

I like Draw The Line too, especially "Bright Light Fright" - maybe Joe Perry shoulda sung more. Or did vocals for his own Project. Never heard Right In The Nuts except for the two biggies. I can only WISH they'd vanished entirely after the 70s like Phil thuoght. (Tho Done With Mirrors was respectable.)

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 00:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Rocks is a monster. I love how they're never satisfied to just have one or two riffs in a song. They always switch it up and throw in a few twists and turns, like at the end of "Combination"--shit just comes out of nowhere.

― Johnny Hotcox, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 00:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I agree with Myonga, Draw The Lineis better than even the bandmembers think, though I can understand their dismissing it now cause they were all coke-binged out at the time of recording. "the only thing on tv is the good morning news"

― m coleman, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 10:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Uncle Tom, name me a funkier heavy gtr band than this lot.
Aerosmith are funky + AC/DC swing. Just is.

-- dr lulu (dr lulu), Sunday, April 16, 2006 5:50 AM (11 months ago)

ZZ Top

― am0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Funkadelic duh.

― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link

gygax! OTM

― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Funkadelic duh.

-- Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:54 AM (31 minutes ago)

read the thread DUH

How about P-Funk for starters. Cosmic Slop is 1,000,000 times heavier or funkier than the former bad boys from beantown ever were.

― am0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

haha oops, missed that one

oh I have a good one: FUNKADELIC

― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

no fucking way is p-funk heavier than back in the saddle...or funkier than walk this way.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

oh dear lord...

― Steve Shasta, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Eli Eli Lama Sabacthani

― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

honestly, i'm not saying aerosmith is a super funk band but i just don't like funkadelic as much as i "should"...i should give them a try again. maybe i'll like it more.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

you dont have to like them m@tt but damn to say that they didnt rock as hard as aerosmith or werent as funky...that's just unusual, and means you might be talking more about parliament than funkadelic. get thee to a copy of 'maggot brain' tout de suite my friend!

― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i've heard maggot brain the song...i mean, it's a cool guitar solo and everything.

yeah i might be wrong on this, sometimes i don't like stuff for years then i end up loving it...but one thing that really hit me in one chuck eddy book was where he was saying how basically no one admits how tedious p-funk can be at times.

*but i am no expert on them by any means.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah but chuck is sometimes a doodyhead, and maybe i should have indicated maggot brain the album instead of "maggot brain" the song. also there are many other funkadelic songs that i could mention if i wanted to derail the thread but i don't

BECAUSE I ALSO LOVE AEROSMITH IN ALL THEIR GLORY AND I AM NOT HATING ON THEM BY ANY MEANS

― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

alright aerosmith is cool. let's focus on the issues.

would still be interested in any more opinions on night in the ruts.

i have done w/mirros on cassette somewhere, i remember it being good when i was a kid, i wonder if it holds up?

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

i remember my friend sam and i being confused by the darkness of sound on 'night in the ruts,' but we loved the title haha lol

― Dimension 5ive, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

M@tt, seek ye out Music For Your Mother...

http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:dvftxqugldhe

...the finest Funkadelic comp out there. And if you get nothing out of it, that's that.

And Chuck had a lot more praise for Funkadelic in his earlier book! And also in an '86 Creem Metal piece called "The REAL Black Metal". (First C.E. thing I ever read, I believe.)

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

If Aerosmith's done anything heavier than "Super Stupid" I haven't heard it.

― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 21:59 (seventeen years ago) link

man you should check out "livin' on the edge"!

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link

man you should check out "standing on the verge"!

― Myonga Vön Bontee, Thursday, 12 April 2007 03:06 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm seeing the two bands playing on different stages, slowly coming together until they're both rocking out OMG METAL ZANADU

― Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 12 April 2007 04:37 (seventeen years ago) link

"Pink" or "Jaded" by Aerosmith may actually out-heavy "Super Stupid" and be in "Supernaut" or "Into the Void" territory though, on second thought.

― Bill Magill, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

still really digging draw the line...the cover of milk cow blues is really epic, all bad vibes and druggie dread.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 12 April 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Matt, if you've never seen P-Funk at a proper show (not a festival where they cant stretch out) doing "Cosmic Slop" you haven't seen what a guitar band can do with groove and heaviness.

get thee to emusic, they have tons of funkadelic reissues.

― UncleTomfly, Friday, 13 April 2007 08:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Why bother with Funkadelic when we can revel in the heaviness of blockbusters like "Love in an Elevator"?

― Bill Magill, Friday, 13 April 2007 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

listened to toys in the attic this AM...i forget how awesome the album traxx are! uncle salty is the bomb.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 13 April 2007 17:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"Night in the Ruts" is pretty meh if I recall. The true beginning of the falling off -- definitely not an underrated gem in the way that "Draw the Line" is. It does have a pretty cool Jimmy Page-era Yardbirds cover in "Think About It".

best Funkadelic heaviosity : "Alice in My Fantasies"
best Aerosmith funk : "Sight For Sore Eyes"

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I can totally hear P.Funk's cover of "Love in an Elevator" in my mind.

― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 13 April 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

"Adam's Apple" is probably my favorite Toys album track

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah adam's apple is good too...so is no more no more...it's all good actually!

i mean, in fairness, i bet george clinton later records have a shitload of crap worse than livin on the edge.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 13 April 2007 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link

no way matt - and certainly nothing close to that desmond child-penned "Angel" song. thats right up there with "god gave rock and roll to you" as among the worst songs ever written

― UncleTomfly, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

If you haven't heard those albums then you can't be all "in fairness", that's the definition of unfairness! And the latest P.Funk All-Stars album has some insane metal blowouts, some dudes lost their hearing aids over that mess.

― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

and "Livin' on the Edge" is a fine song with the big bass drum jammies, dude turns into a frogman and pops out of his own body, how is that not awesome?

― Dimension 5ive, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

alright not in fairness...i just refuse to believe that there's not more than a few george clunkers...anyway this whole thing is dumb, pfunk vs. aerosmith is a weird battle...alls i know is that all this week cranking up aerosmith has made eating oatmeal and watching the today show w.the sound turned off 8 million times better.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

anybody heard that "By Way of the Drum" record that Hip-O just put out?

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

maybe i should put that on the Funkadelic thread

― Stormy Davis, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not saying aerosmith is a super funk band

I am!

damn to say that they didnt rock as hard as aerosmith or werent as funky...that's just unusual

It's also true.

If Aerosmith's done anything heavier than "Super Stupid" I haven't heard it.

I have.

i bet george clinton later records have a shitload of crap worse than livin on the edge

They do.

Nothing against Funkadelic, though; they were great! (And nope, I'm not expanding on this. If you're curious, um, check the archives yo.)

― xhuxk, Saturday, 14 April 2007 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, maybe saying Aerosmith "weren't as funky" as not true. I'll leave that open for debate. But saying they rocked harder (at their best, and more consistently) is hardly an outrageous statement. And I say that as somebody who almost always played both "Chip Away At the Stone" and "Can You Get To That" in his DJ sets (neither of which necessarily represent said bands at their "funkiest" and/or "hardest," not that I care.) Given the choice, Aerosmith is more likely to make me dance.

I am not returning to this thread, so don't ask.

― xhuxk, Saturday, 14 April 2007 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

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