― Omar, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Nick Greenfield, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
DJ Martian - Thanks for the intelligent post on KJ. That's why I enjoy ILM - it's a chance to get a fresh perspective on old stuff, as well as get a range of opinions on what's happening now. If only the KJ mailing list were able to express their passion in a similar way... After reading your thoughts, I almost want to give KJ a second listen. Maybe I will. After all I have heard little since the late 80's, although I'm familiar with most of the earlier albums. As I said, I didn't like them, but you never know.
I don't really go for tribal rhythms and grinding guitars in large doses, and 'violent intensity' ad infinitum is just dull. I also have a problem with the way that it seems to be equated with some sort of 'macho' punishment stance - 'are you HARD enough for KJ'. No doubt Jaz has a world-view which makes sense to him - and some kind of integrity. It's just that the way it's presented appears bleak, cynical and depressing - TO ME.
Influences on - well apart from Janes Addiction and Nirvana I don't much like any of the bands DJM mentions. In fact I don't like the late 80s/early 90's 'industrial' scene at all. I do dig some of the pioneers of the late 70's/ early 80's - Cab Voltaire, Throbbing Gristle, 23 Skidoo, Coil.
Influenced by - the claim that KJ have no predecessors is just plain wrong. What about PIL, Pere Ubu, Joy Div (early)?
The totalitarian attitude of most of the KJ Fanclub (do you get a monthly magazine and a little badge for joining?) started out as a laugh, reinforcing my perception of the band. But ultimately their response to a little criticism of 'their boys' is fairly repulsive. Do these people roam the internet stamping outany critisism of KJ? What a depressing way to spend your time. Calling me a sheep is pretty ironic.
― Dr. C, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― nick fitzpatrick, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Jerry, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― alex, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Alex - your comments are interesting, I hadn't thought of The Pop Group, but good call.
― Dr.C, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Patrick, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― DJ Martian, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
All I wanted to add -- my opinion having already been made clear -- is that whoever told them _Outside the Gate_ was another close to a good idea needs a talking-to.
And whoever mentioned Play Dead and Sex Gang Children as ripoffs -- oh, perhaps, but such *fun* ripoffs. I only discovered Play Dead recently, and they're quite enjoyable.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
You say you like '' Intellect '', I love it too, but I must warn you: you won't find anything similar. Killing Joke is a band under continous evolution. (Similar to Intellect??... maybe "Hollywood Babylon", awesome song incuded in the Showgirls soundtrack).
Killing Joke is a about social and political problems, but more than that is about joy and love to life... if you really give'em a listen --but a serious listen, not an easy ride in the stereo on your car or something like that-- you will find that Killing Joke is charged with a unique and very special vibe and power... I'm sure you won't regret.
Regards
Right! another K.J. fan
Javier "La broma mortal de Mexico"
― Javier G.G., Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Since the mighty Joke have not toured the UK for 6 years, maybe we're all suffering from PMT (pre manic tension) ! Inukko admitted only hearing post 1994 work - there is a treasure trove of stuff to indulge yourself in - go ahead, enjoy.
And as for the objection to the robust defence, abuse !?! Those living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. We're not the elitest ones. Honest.
― The Jester, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
saying things like "do you get a monthly magazine and a little badge for joining?" (um... no), "Have they gone yet?", continually trying to emphasise some sort of 'us-and-them' situation. "Do these people roam the internet stamping out any critisism of KJ?" - no. someone who reads ILM is also a member of the gathering. (can you reconcile those two apparent contradictions?) they sent through a link to this page. quite simple really.
not that i'm defending everything said by the various members of the gathering. some of it was pretty moronic. but that's the point - i shouldn't have to defend it. try to see us a individuals, please. don't lump us all into one category.
if you choose to describe kj as "hopeless" then you should expect some people to get a bit pissed off, y'know? i'm sorry, but they _are_ a very influential band. and it's 'exorcism', not 'exorcist'. the song title is an analogy, it's about the release of suppressed emotions and aspects of our minds that perhaps we don't face up to because we find them ugly. it has nothing to do with "A goth- apocolyptic version of Spinal Tap".
i suggest dr c should think twice before he dismisses a generally well-respected and certainly very original band's entire output as "hopeless" and "preposterous". or at least be prepared to justify his claims when people who like said band unexpected turn up, rather than get all defensive and try to paint a false picture of the fans as a bunch of internet bullies. c'mon, of course we're gonna fight back!
anyway, on a separate note - i agree with jerry when he says kj isn't something you should want to like. it's a feeling you either identify with or you don't. it can sometimes take time to happen, but you'll know when you've got it. and it you don't know what i'm talking about then you don't like them.
― The Last Laugh, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
Well why are you offering such arrogant and ignorant criticism of one of the industrial scene's most influential groups then?
― Darrin Addams, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
We discuss music and bands. A lot of bands. There are no set ones we like, there are no set ones we don't. It's about individuals expressing their individual tastes.
All the threads "classic or dud" involve people saying whether a band is 'classic' or a band is 'dud'. Bands are generally used to criticism and rightly do not give a fuck what we think on the incredibly tiny chance that they would even encounter this forum anyway. So everything from reasoned discussion to jokey abuse *of bands* is fair game. Killing Joke have hardly been alone in getting slated by a couple of posters.
If teasing, mocking or abusing bands bothers you, you're probably better off in another forum. We, collectively, did not 'pick a fight' with anyone.
What isn't generally accepted is abuse between posters, because it turns threads into huge boring slagfests. Now some people who post here regularly have overstepped the mark and some people who don't post here regularly have overstepped the mark too. The mark is pretty much an unwritten and unspoken one so that's going to happen occasionally. But as moderator I'm now suggesting that people take the personal stuff to e-mail and any further discussion in the thread is taken to be about the band and not a personal slight on anyone.
Thanks to everyone - regulars or not - who contributed intelligently.
― Tom, Thursday, 22 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― christine, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― nick fitzpatrick, Friday, 23 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Adam Helfer, Sunday, 25 March 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Dr. C, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
I pity him so.
― Nicole, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
I'm getting into this..
― Nick Dastoor, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Madchen, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― The Jester, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Alex in NYC, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Sterling Clover, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― DG, Monday, 26 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― The Last Laugh, Friday, 30 March 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― , Wednesday, 4 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Nicole, Wednesday, 4 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Geordie Racer, Thursday, 5 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, 8 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link
― Trubshaw, Wednesday, 20 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Trying again:
http://thepolywog.com/copshootcop/posters/images/livedemo-01.jpg
Martyn Atkins has some interesting things to say about Jaz....
― Brian MacDonald, Thursday, 7 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
To Alex -- okay, looks like what you're trying to do is put a picture here rather than create a link, correct? You've got the address, but you're not putting in the right HTML tags to make it work. Do this instead:
http://thepolywog.com/copshootcop/posters/images/livedemo- 01.jpg
Now, I've added extra spaces here so you can see the code -- when you try it, remove the space before IMG, both spaces on either side of the equal sign, and the final space between the end quote mark and the end caret. That should result in presenting the image as a post.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Brian MacDonald, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― alex in nyc, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Trying again, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Last attempt., Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
http://www.maliciousdamage.com/gallery/jaz/jaz86.htm
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Alex in NYC, Friday, 8 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link