i know like dick-all about napoleon

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for napoleon ignorance?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 4 January 2007 07:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i ordered the frank mclynn book m white suggested. soon this thread will be obsolete.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 4 January 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

this is worth a read.

Dude, the 18th Brumaire is about Napoleon's nephew.

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I wuv Napoleon... he is one of history's most fascinating characters. He writes constitutions, he writes novels, he wins battles. Rock on!

The Real Dirty Vicar (dirtyvicar), Friday, 5 January 2007 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link

nine years pass...

why was it such a big deal that he killed louis antoine? was nobility really shocked at that pt about execution of nobility even on spurious charges? or had napolean somehow earned a reputation as being somewhat favorable or at least not hostile towards nobility at that pt? was he dissociated enough from the revolution that it would've been a new hostility - or just that there had been a period of quiet?

Mordy, Thursday, 29 September 2016 21:36 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

Yeah, very much agreed. It's a long haul commitment of a listen at this point but I appreciate how deep he's already laid the groundwork on a number of interrelated issues as well as wider developments providing further context. The last bio I read of Napoleon's was some years ago -- thorough, very much looking at him with a (well-deserved) angry eye at all his destruction and loss of life. This so far seems to be taking a good neutral stance that won't ignore that, or so I trust.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link

does it have an answer for my antoine question above?

Mordy, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 23:58 (six years ago) link

Hasn't gotten there yet.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 00:32 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

Armor of a soldier wounded by a cannonball at the battle of Waterloo in 1815.pic.twitter.com/ynp8qmW43I

— Figen (@TheFigen) January 3, 2022

mark s, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 20:18 (two years ago) link

'wounded'

two sleeps till brooklyn (ledge), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 20:22 (two years ago) link

tis but a scratch

mark s, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 20:26 (two years ago) link

also: napoleon wasn't *unusually* short, he was probably c.5'7"

myth set in bcz (a) the french pre-metric inch was a little longer that the imperial inch and (b) the brits liked to fvck around w/hilarious lies

mark s, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 21:23 (two years ago) link

the short lived Napoleon II was 6 foot tall by the time he was 17. But it didn't get him anywhere!

calzino, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 21:32 (two years ago) link

Horrible Histories is the source of most my knowledge about Napoleon - including the bit about him actually being not that short.

I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 21:35 (two years ago) link

Also the possible reason he lost Waterloo being an especially painful bout(?) of piles.

I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 21:37 (two years ago) link

"nothing except a battle lost can be half so melancholy as a bout (?) of piles"

mark s, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 21:43 (two years ago) link

must've been a distressing end for him

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 21:49 (two years ago) link

even the combined forces of Britain and Prussia couldn't hurt him as much as those grapes

calzino, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 21:54 (two years ago) link

the wince of grapes hot

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Tuesday, 4 January 2022 22:02 (two years ago) link

https://www.rct.uk/sites/default/files/styles/rctr-scale-1300-500/public/collection-online/5/a/184651-1409668411.jpg?itok=lNGBLLz7

this was Boney's Sun Ra like cloak that was taken from his luggage after Waterloo, apparently he'd wore it during the Egyptian campaign. If twitter had been about in the early 19th century he'd have wore it for a selfie with a "LOL. I'm living in your heads rent free, so called Great Britain" post.

calzino, Tuesday, 4 January 2022 22:31 (two years ago) link

His love for Josephine when she didn't wash before sex.

His popularity around Europe which sin't the way he was portrayed in England.

HIm getting arsenic poisoning from the wallpaper in his exiled room

Him not being as short as some people liked to portray him.

Him being part responsible for teh fate of Haiti once it liberated itself which like sucks to high heaven

Him being Corsican.

Him looking a lot like Rod Steiger

Stevolende, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 10:42 (two years ago) link

Especially popular in Ireland, of course.

Yes, he re-introduced slavery after the Revolution, although Robespierre et al had hummed and hawed about abolishing it for a long time.

I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 10:54 (two years ago) link

Also he was so palsy-walsy with Robespierre's brother that he was under considerable suspicion post 10 Thermidor.

I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 11:01 (two years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FINS9BWWUAwPiq4?format=png

mark s, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 11:17 (two years ago) link

keep expecting this to be a Ridley Scott revive

Khafre's clown (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 12:19 (two years ago) link

it's a "wounded by a cannonball" revive

mark s, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 12:53 (two years ago) link

"wounded followed very shortly after by death" is still wounded imo

Khafre's clown (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 12:57 (two years ago) link

robespierre screaming fleshwound ten minutes after his head was cut off

mark s, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 13:10 (two years ago) link

Not possible with his bad jaw.

I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 13:11 (two years ago) link

Another thing, "Where can we put Napoleon where we can be sure he can't cause any more harm?" "Oh, I know, how about an island 6 miles off the coast of Italy?" "Yes, that'll do!". Duh.

I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 13:18 (two years ago) link

this twitter-thread is a wee bit "hi! cavalryman expert here, cavalrymen only do this when they’re in extreme distress" (and also promoting a book) but it's reasonably interesting so:

Thanks to social media this is one of the most famous battlefield relics from Napoleonic era. It captures the moment of a man's death. It is not a joke or a Monty Python sketch about a scratch. It might not seem so funny if we knew more about the man and his death. 1/10 pic.twitter.com/ZAzAmuAw6Z

— Tony Pollard (@ProfTonyPollard) January 5, 2022

mark s, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 21:37 (two years ago) link

Over next 10 days bodies stripped & then buried or burned. Every item of hardware & clothing was recycled or sold & the field became a tourist attraction

Long before the bone merchants moved in, many bodies at Waterloo were stripped of their teeth. This was such a bonanza for Britain’s denture industry that all false sets made from human teeth were known as ‘Waterloo teeth’ for years after

And also decades later the mineral rich death soil was being shipped to farmers in Yorkshire and Somerset

calzino, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 21:48 (two years ago) link

unlike this cannonball i see my fleshwound joke sailed safely over tom d's head

mark s, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 21:54 (two years ago) link

Wearing corpse dentures would really creep me out but I guess it's just one of things you got used to in the old days.

this is great https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-age-of-napoleon-podcast/id1223795973?mt=2

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, October 17, 2017 11:42 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Still going after ninety-one episodes. I'm afraid to ask if anyone has made it through them all, I'd be fine with one greatest hits episode.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 22:00 (two years ago) link

i actually beached in the napoleon stretch of the revolutions podcast (he just invaded egypt) but that's mainly bcz i'm so busy at the moment that i realised i was putting episodes on and then not taking in a single word

mark s, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 22:11 (two years ago) link

Wearing corpse dentures would really creep me out but I guess it's just one of things you got used to in the old days.

this is great https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-age-of-napoleon-podcast/id1223795973?mt=2

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, October 17, 2017 11:42 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Still going after ninety-one episodes. I'm afraid to ask if anyone has made it through them all, I'd be fine with one greatest hits episode.

― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Wednesday, January 5, 2022 2:00 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

im not a huge podcast listener and stopped after 20 or so but was just thinking about getting back into this because I very much enjoyed it. very thorough.

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 22:36 (two years ago) link

unlike this cannonball i see my fleshwound joke sailed safely over tom d's head

It did not.

I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 22:43 (two years ago) link

hm

mark s, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 22:44 (two years ago) link

Actually you're right, I C what U did there.

I Can't See Gervais In My Mind (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 January 2022 22:46 (two years ago) link

i absolutely love that podcast and have learned a ton. he just finished the battle of austerlitz

goole, Wednesday, 5 January 2022 22:50 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

Always guaranteed to bring a tear to my eye, sorry, my ee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfbNX9p9-BE

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Monday, 10 April 2023 18:55 (one year ago) link

Still happily sticking with The Age of Napoleon podcast as mentioned a few years back. It's been a truly marvelous achievement -- the 'side' stories over several episodes on Nelson and L'Ouverture alone were essential.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 April 2023 18:58 (one year ago) link


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