Ke$ha: Classic or Dud?

for some reason that really set me off
i want him to burn

there's aspects of this that are, at the very least, disturbingly surreal - that her mom would be sharing songwriting credits with a guy she knew raped her daughter, that you'd do a whole "hey let me make an album with the flaming lips, whatever happened to creative freedom" campaign and then reveal two years later that the stakes were far more horrifying. but even if only 10% of the accusations were true, this guy should be in prison.

def wish that she had gone to an emerg rm rather than as she sez in the complaint that she needed 2

this thread is like some kind of creepy game of controversy chess where people are getting fired up about theoretical things that could happen three steps ahead of the current state of affairs

Not only that but for some reason it made me really personally enraged

She was only a high school kid when she met him.

this thread is like some kind of creepy game of controversy chess where people are getting fired up about theoretical things that could happen three steps ahead of the current state of affairs

― some dude, Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:51 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Maybe because there's a precedent for those theoretical things?

I don't think it's much of a theoretical stretch to predict that this is going to get ugly fast

sure. but the specificity. "someone will bring up her lyrics. maybe Dr. Luke! but that would be ironic...but it could still happen!"

Maybe Dr. Luke's medical license will be revoked.

^^Guilty lol. So guilty.

Depressing and credible.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/keshas-cries-for-help?bftw&utm_term=4ldqpfp#2ip23e7

This is a bummer because I like a lot of Dr. Luke's stuff (including what he did with Ke$ha) and now I feel like this instantly ruins it for me.

Dr. Luke has worked with A LOT of artists in the past 15 years. I haven't heard any others coming out and defending his honor, which is pretty telling.

on the one hand I really, really don't want come of as if I'm taking the position of "wait what if this is FAKE," but I've got to say, I really hate the "this unreleased song/released song/song written for someone else is DEFINITELY about X!" trope because it is pure confirmation bias.

unnecessary clickbait conspiracy-mongering, glad buzzfeed could make some money off everyone's doubt

http://gawker.com/keshas-lawyer-dr-luke-was-the-producer-who-raped-lady-1666133713

The title cuts it off, but it says Lady Gaga.

I feel icky about someone else putting a name on the man who raped Lady Gaga instead of Gaga doing it herself, but the m.o. fits.

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

As was said many times upthread, this is going to get extremely ugly.

dude may v well just be trying to drum up publicity for his own case but even so now i'm thinking about ke$ha's case again & am really sad

this is pretty gross:

After the news of that alleged assault broke, Geragos invited his Twitter followers to "guess who the rapist was" and "#namethepervert." When someone guessed Dr. Luke, Geragos replied "#bingo."

Yeah, I should've read the whole article before blindly linking it. This guy is a weasel.

yeah it seems really professionally irresponsible too, esp for like a good (?) 57 yr old lawyer

makes me think he has some evidence or something abt it but not sure what it'd be other than gaga confirming

he is disgusting

all involved are disgusting except ke$ha and gaga, basically

he is dr puke

this did inspire me to listen to warrior for the first time in a while tho and i totally stand by this being one of 2012's top 20 albums

*by it

its almost def in my top twenty of 2010-14, lot of jams

won tickets to see her surprise show @ black cat tmo, freaking out

well "surprise" for a pop star i guess

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/judge-wont-let-kesha-escape-867571

ugh. really horrible.

god, awful

Ugggh. I thought this was over and done with as of a week or 2 ago. :(

this is still in effect, right? if so, uh, here's your answer to why sony did what it did http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/doug-morris-dr-luke-sony-258729

(also, this sucks)

does the preliminary injunction thing mean that she can still win the case in the long run? someone smart help me out here.

Kind of. The preliminary injunction would have allowed her to record elsewhere (i.e., not for Sony) while the case is still pending. The underlying case, for rape/abuse etc., she can conceivably still win. Though there are also counterclaims against her, for defamation/extortion, etc., that she could theoretically lose.

Her argument in favor of the injunction, though, was that the window for success in pop music is so narrow that to delay recording opportunities is effectively to deny them.

"commercially reasonable" ughhh

katherine in that 2011 link you posted it says that sony's deal with dr luke is a five-year one, which means that it must be up for renewal...this year? could that affect anything?

My understanding is that, while the five-year deal awarded Sony exclusive rights to Dr. Luke's work as a producer, that division of Sony (Kemosabe) is basically his to run indefinitely. Allowing him to start producing for nonSony artists again (if that happens) is not likely to affect Kesha's contract.

Not that I support the decision, but I think the judge was in a difficult place here. If there isn't any evidence that Dr. Luke committed a crime, granting Kesha the preliminary injunction sets a terrible precedent and is essentially saying that all an artist has to do to get out of a contract they don't like is to allege an assault.

I hate the outcome because the bar to proving assault for women is already impossibly high. But I think Geragos didn't help matters by dragging Lady Gaga into this – that's a disclosure for Lady Gaga to make, not a celebrity lawyer.

Whole thing is ugly. Hopefully more evidence comes out or other women to support Kesha's case.

do judges in cases like this really set precedents, though? i'm not a lawyer and i have no idea how shit works but it just reminds me so much of things lawyerly inclined leftie friends have said about the legal system and rape, which aligns with everything i've ever heard from non-lawyerly people about the legal system and rape, like basically everything is set up to not believe the victim. i mean she is basically being compelled to either work with, or substantially enrich, her rapist and abuser. so horrible.

It's correct that trial-level judicial opinions do not set legally binding precedent that another trial-level court would be obliged to follow. However, a trial-level opinion in Kesha's favor would be considered "instructive" and could conceivably inspire similar suits.

Right, okay.

Ugh.

It's also just... I mean I get that the law works in its own way and you can't always mete out the most just decision because of the way the thing works and so on. It just lines up so much with the thinking of, y'know, oh all women really want to go out and make up a fake assault to get attention/whatever. Not saying that was the judge's mentality (and certainly not saying it's yours!), just in a different culture that would be so obviously a drop in the bucket versus actual victims being contractually bound to their abusers. The whole thing's just depressing as hell, I know years ago in this thread I was pretty dismissive of her but I just can't even imagine being in her position.

This is obviously anecdotal, but during my yearlong judicial clerkship working on mostly criminal cases after law school, I never saw a jury return a guilty verdict in a rape case. Not once.

Granted, this was in Baltimore, where an understandably deep distrust of the justice system makes it difficult to get jurors to return a guilty verdict on anything. But still.

Why are there binding contracts? Artists should be able to work with whomever they want in my (naive) opinion. This is just a nightmare.

Because Sony's (and perhaps Kesha's) values don't mirror Ian MacKaye's.

(Hard to judge the values of someone who signed an arguably lopsided contract at such a young age.)