whiney making me like this tape more
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:47 (nine years ago) link
that's great rapping
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:47 (nine years ago) link
you're greatly an idiot
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:48 (nine years ago) link
this shit is grocery bag raps in a weird voice that gives Noisey writers teh #feels. If this was Gudda Gudda saying the same shit, y'all would be hardmanning like crazy
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:49 (nine years ago) link
You really think your old droog is better than this lol
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:53 (nine years ago) link
it has... rapping?
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:54 (nine years ago) link
no one likes rapping anymore jeez
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
cmon
If this was Gudda Gudda saying the same shit, y'all would be hardmanning like crazy
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:49 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark
this is like saying if you lived in a tent instead of a house you'd feel poor
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:16 (nine years ago) link
this shit is grocery bag raps in a weird voice that gives Noisey writers teh #feels
your old droog gives new yorker writers teh feels
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link
why the fuck did that dipshit have to call himself "your old droog"?, he's the diarrhea planet of hip hop :/
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:18 (nine years ago) link
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:16 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
if you lived here you'd be home by now
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
Yes, it has rapping, often v clever and memorable rapping
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
lace me with a clever line
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:21 (nine years ago) link
whiney striving to see rap through the tiniest of reductive pinholes is one of the most depressing developments of 2014
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
i mean, do you want me to come right out and say "I don't get this" because I don't get this
all i know is internet ppl saying shit like I HEAR YOUNG THUG AND THEN IM OFF TO A CLOUD IN THE SKY and then reasonable dudes like Jordan and Drakey saying "no, it's good" and then never explaining whats good about it except that liking it for its weirdness is reductive and there's literally no quotable lines
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:25 (nine years ago) link
plus i see lots of vines about that part in "lifestyle" that's especially incoherant
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:27 (nine years ago) link
and i know, like O)H HA GET OFF THE INTERNET but i've heard thugger on the radio too, idk
thats how u can tell its good need to use vine metrics
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:27 (nine years ago) link
thugger is a genius tho who has pretty much a new style for very day of his life but im not gonna quote lines cause i h8 that
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:28 (nine years ago) link
it's not that surprising that it's divisive is it?
i don't think garbly sing-song voices count as "weird" any more but they don't exactly have universal appeal
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:41 (nine years ago) link
actually, they do since he's finding both critical and pop success, we are actually outliers
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:25 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark
it's very pop-oriented rap but the lyrics are important in an untraditional way (though in a more traditional way than you are implying)
if you want to listen to your old droog go listen to your old droog. there are still lines that pop out here though -- "she say she can do the same thing as five bitches / so i went and fired them five bitches" for instance. just little funny things that stick out. this isn't rock em sock em robot punchline music but... that's not the only way to listen to rap?
but do you not feel what "givenchy" is supposed to evoke even if it doesn't ground itself in Rap?
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
thug turned the weirdness up quite a bit over like wayne or future, the first time i heard him shouting abt how he needed a cup twice (v funny clever line btw) i was like is this a real thing irl perople are into but now it seems pretty normal
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link
even though young thug does rap rap on that song xp
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:45 (nine years ago) link
thugga has gotten less weird over time, on his earlier mixtapes he was rapping in diff languages
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link
but if you can't appreciate the greatness of "lifestyle".... \(o_O)/
― snrub goin up on a tuesday (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:47 (nine years ago) link
or the overall very obvious and traditional dopeness of "flava"
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, October 14, 2014 5:25 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't wanna fight but, this. I've listened to a number of YT mixtapes on recommendation from people whose taste I trust, but...I'm not feeling it. I want to understand the thrill, really, I do. But the beats sound muddy, the raps seem muddy (with the occasional hot line or chorus breaking through). Not just Thug, a lot of bubbling up new rap seems to fall in this vein and it's just baffling to me what people hear in it, or maybe I'm turning into my dad.
(Side Note: "Picachu" is just alright, odd and whatever but after hearing it twice I shrugged and didn't need to hear it again.)
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:50 (nine years ago) link
recentish song where he does some p str8 up rapity rap, cool song tho not really my fav thug mode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUWhcO3KD4
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
The "is he or isn't he gay" angle of YT is fascinating, though, regardless of whether he's peeking from the closet or just punking everyone
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:52 (nine years ago) link
"lifestyle" sort of epitomises what i hate, just sonically, about young thug. obviously i don't care about trad rap or proper lyricism or whatever it's like this insistence on a really basic annoying melody by people who don't sound good singing...idgi.
"try me" is probably the first & only young thug verse that's properly blown me away, i feel even whiney would get it
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link
I like when he says he looked her over like terms and conditions
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link
But the beats sound muddy, the raps seem muddy (with the occasional hot line or chorus breaking through).
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:50 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he sounds sloppy as first sometimes but im convinced of his craftiness, its really cool to hear all the shit hes up to
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link
I feel like ppl have implanted false memories in themselves of their experience w 90s NY rap, like I didn't catch most of what ghost or Rae were saying the first hundred times it's just like over years of repetition it becomes a part of your dna and you're reticent to give a new record that kind of time. But the more I listen the more certain lyrics jump out and evoke a feeling or make me laugh
I did think noz's tweet about hearing young thug and the world dissolves (which I assume Whiney is referring to about the cloud in the sky) was a lil ott but it doesn't distract for me because as Jordan said he's actually seemed less weird as he's gotten a handle on his art, as his work has become more musical
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link
There is def a magic eye effect with his rapping but I feel the same way about keef so ymmv
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 23:03 (nine years ago) link
maybe noz just dissolves into a cloud super easy, its a spectrum
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 23:03 (nine years ago) link
hey guys can i open up a bit here and admit i was never 100% on what "cloud rap" was?
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 23:16 (nine years ago) link
http://tumblinerb.com/post/74588959446/1017-thug-topped-your-pazz-and-jop-have-you-written
not sure if this accurately describes his role on the rich gang tape in particular. i think that's more a quan and london vehicle to be honest and as mentioned up thread it's also more musical than aggressive but you can still hear that sort of kinetic energy at points like all over "givenchy" on the whole CREW CUT explosion on his "flava" verse.
anyway sometimes i get excited about music and try to briefly describe that feeling in 140 characters whiney if you ever need further clarification on one of these tweets feel free to contact me directly instead of sending off passive aggressive ilx smoke signals oh also can you explain to me why primus makes you happy because primus doesn't make me especially happy and that makes me mad
― based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link
and "she gon look over these bitches like terms and conditions" is a quotable line
― based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 23:42 (nine years ago) link
how do u set up ilx notifications in yr cloud
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 23:45 (nine years ago) link
what's the line about octopuses...that one was funny too
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 23:51 (nine years ago) link
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:57 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I will concede to that
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 01:56 (nine years ago) link
Also, I didn't even remember that tweet was a @noz joint, hahahaha
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 01:57 (nine years ago) link
Also, I will always gladly explain why I fuck w/ Primus if that's a real request
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 01:58 (nine years ago) link
no, please
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 01:59 (nine years ago) link
That tumblin erb post is def the most cogent argument I've read, and I can definitely hear that erratic push-pull energy in his cadence — which is, of course, the most electrifying thing about thugger. But iunno, he def sort of plays the subtle card since his beats are always so stoner-stoner-pass-me-the-hookah chillax. It's kind of the same reason Sonic Youth never clicked with me since they're supposedly this wild, noisy act; but it's all controlled in this chill mumble-rock music. Some people would call that maturity, I guess, but it just kind of strikes me as energy-suckin
I do like "Danny Glover" and "Picacho"
― ILOVEMASONNA (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 02:05 (nine years ago) link
cant believe u let a guy drop out of a cloud and own the hell out of u like that
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 02:07 (nine years ago) link
Think Rev pointed out earlier itt that Thugger is actually technically very good
Like it's not just all weird voices
Every time he goes doubletime it feels exciting and affirming
SHEESH
It's effortless and sounds good to my ears
― 龜, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 02:11 (nine years ago) link
otm
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 02:12 (nine years ago) link