Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

prolego killin it all the way itt

Why are there like 70 new answers on this thread since this morning? Can someone give me a recap of what happened up behind the fold, or do I just not even want to know?

Ariel Pink was being an ass again. Grimes weighed in.

Ariel Pink:

"They need something edgy. They need songwriting," he said. "She can’t just have her Avicii, her producers or whatever, come up with a new techno jam for her to gyrate to and pretend that she’s 20 years old. They actually need songs. I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing."
"I guess it’s called ‘throwback’, but the first record was so good because of the songs," he said. "It's been a downward slide (since). Ray of Light is not cool. And all the other stuff she’s done after that, it’s not like it matters. It really shows a drain of values. People need more substance in their mac-and-cheese. People need more sugar or something."

Grimes:

Ariel pinks delusional misogyny is emblematic of the kind of bullshit everyone woman in this industry faces daily. Also Ray of Light is a masterpiece

So it's basically 70 posts of STFU Ariel Pink? Good work, ppl! Thanks for the recap.

Prolego otm.

and I really wish he left mac-and-cheese out of this.

who puts sugar in their mac-and-cheese

^

ariel pink, which is why he is horrible and hated iirc

it seems kind of appropriate that Ariel Pink's idea of giving "substance" to a meal is spooning sugar onto his Kraft dinner

lol

i put tater tots and chopped up jalapenos in mac n cheese for substance

lol crut otm

pink is wrong and grimes is right but her reaction is a little out of proportion and they are both talented and i hate twitter

http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/98711973564/people-who-dont-like-the-smashing-pumpkins-can

A+. thread's back on track.

brb gotta track down grimes

the adult cat finder thing in the corner is pretty cool

haha, i just noticed that.

grimes, smashing pumpkins, and the language of male violence

http://dealbreaker.com/uploads/2012/11/drudge-siren.gif

Ariel Pink is terrible. Grimes has terrible taste and wants me to suck her dick.

You guys are no fun! Ariel is one of the greatest, terrible musicians to have ever musicianed. Grimes' music (equally 'bad' to Ariel's imo) has lost what initially drew me to her, which was her ability to produce and write catchy, interesting songs that sounded extremely diy. It sickens me how many of her supporters are so patronizing toward her and treat her like a wounded animal who constantly needs defending and pats on the back. I'm a fan of both but her manic-pixie-dreamgirl stuff projected onto her by fans is so bizarre to me.

very good example of terrible internet discourse in 2014

The beef or this thread?

i meant the last post, but also the beef. and probably lots of this thread, although that's on a third tier. i like some of the ppl itt

this is one of those 'issues' where i'm like, i need to just remove-bookmark-from-thread bc taking a thoughful/critical approach to this interesting issue makes me realize i really DNGAF

Your schtick is so tired at this point. Why come into yet, another thread to talk about how much you don't care about or respect the subjects being discussed?

You guys are no fun! Ariel is one of the greatest, terrible musicians to have ever musicianed. Grimes' music (equally 'bad' to Ariel's imo) has lost what initially drew me to her, which was her ability to produce and write catchy, interesting songs that sounded extremely diy. It sickens me how many of her supporters are so patronizing toward her and treat her like a wounded animal who constantly needs defending and pats on the back. I'm a fan of both but her manic-pixie-dreamgirl stuff projected onto her by fans is so bizarre to me.

― Cousin Slappy, Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:32 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM

Weirdos

well ariel pink has a double album coming out in a month and grimes does not

it's disturbing how much time grimes seems to spend not making music or getting distracted on twitter/tumblr

maybe she should just do what she feels like doing

she had an album ready to release but scrapped it because it wasn't up to her standards... i'd imagine visions is tough to follow up because it's one of the most distinctive releases this decade so far. hope she's not "psyched out" by the pressure but i understand why she is careful about what she attaches her name to after establishing herself as a major figure.

her tumblr presence is great.

ariel pink is an amazing "outsider" musician but in the mainstream he's predictably floundered... musically, i think, but also he's just not equipped to be speaking in public.

i agree her fans can be a little too worshipful but i don't think that comes from condescension. plenty of people will leap to the defense of kanye or whatever other male celebrity they idoloize. i think people just love grimes.

you're right, i take that back (sorry, always bit nasty in the morning). bc she actually does seem to be making music constantly, and all the other shit she does in the press/online (especially the recent How to Be a Boss essay) is dope. i can't wait for her new record and was very depressed to hear she had scrapped one. honestly i dont have a leg to stand on with all this except separate the art from the artist, AP's Limbaugh schtick is schtick but it still sucks and makes no sense and it bums me out as a massive fan of his music. he's also, like someone said upthread (or was that in the ariel pink thread?), been an asshole in interviews since 2005, so... I'm excited for pom pom and grimes LP3

same feeling i have to fight w/r/t tao lin

I still fail to see how saying that Madonna just knows how to dance and hire producers to write her music is a comment directed against all women and not just her, if anything it's a snide comment against pop stardom. I've made similar comments myself and they have nothing to do with gender. It's just feeding on the idea that pop stars very rarely write their own music. I see One Direction as dancing puppets that don't write their own songs, does that make me a misandrist?

"OTM"

You guys are no fun! Ariel is one of the greatest, terrible musicians to have ever musicianed. Grimes' music (equally 'bad' to Ariel's imo) has lost what initially drew me to her, which was her ability to produce and write catchy, interesting songs that sounded extremely diy. It sickens me how many of her supporters are so patronizing toward her and treat her like a wounded animal who constantly needs defending and pats on the back. I'm a fan of both but her manic-pixie-dreamgirl stuff projected onto her by fans is so bizarre to me.

"OTM" you're a little bit "OTM" but she does call herself a fairy pixie at frequent intervals so its not projected onto her. Also how has she lost what drew you to her in her music when she stopped releasing music since Visions. Go was also catchy, just that terrible "Blood Diamonds" dudes terrible production routines.

it's disturbing how much time grimes seems to spend not making music or getting distracted on twitter/tumblr

― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, October 15, 2014 9:06 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can we reorient the whole different-standards-for-female-musicians discussion around this quote

just the idea that it's 'disturbing' is disturbing

Blood Diamonds is actually working on the new Madonna album lol

One Direction is a group put together 4 years ago on a British TV show, comparing that to Madonna is pretty silly.

Blood Diamonds is actually working on the new Madonna album lol

Apart from that being hilarious all this now makes a lot more sense

Wait...

Ugh this is horrible moves from all involved. This is not what twitter is good at.

it's disturbing that we can all spend as much time on the internet as we all clearly do while still working full-time or holding down other life responsibilities but pretend that it's totally weird and unnatural for famous people

you're right, i apologize, it doesn't make sense since she is working on music constantly. 'disturbing' isn't the right word, more like disappointing, bc i want to hear new grimes. i feel the same way about isaac brock but he's had seven fucking years

and he never tweets hmmmm it's almost like there's absolutely no relationship between social media presence and artistic productivity

We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank was the best MM album and probably found Brock at his ceiling as a songwriter, and he probably knows it, so don't wish for an album that's only going to disappoint you.

We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank was the best MM album

say what bruh??

I am king challop when it comes to MM and I know it.

i could see that. it's a damn good record, better than good news, more rocking, less tom waits

we were dead is probably my favorite modest mouse album, but the idea that the lack of follow-up comes from isaac brock thinking he couldn't possibly top it so why bother, rather a mix of indifference on his part and interscope's, is pretty funny