defend the indefensible: glenn fucking greenwald

well glenn i guess you wont be posting anymore

http://i.imgur.com/2Ph8aJw.gif

updates

ahaha

no arrests were made

http://bedfordandbowery.com/2014/10/scahill-greenwald-and-poitras-on-obama-isis-and-new-snowden-doc-citizen-four/

i was detained at the border and all my thumb drives were removed from their ziploc bag

^^^ sexx talk

http://inthesetimes.com/article/17403/reports_from_inside_first_look_media_suggest_that_maybe_silicon_valley_shou

intercept still goin

Betsy Reed ‏@betsyreed2 4h4 hours ago
I will miss The Nation, which I will always love, but I could not be more excited to be joining @the_intercept

Has his readership decreased since leaving the guardian? Never hear about him anymore but that might just be because being outraged at the nsa isn't trendy now

dunno prob, smaller platform, also big layoff

I assumed his readers, at least, would follow him. I used to be a fan in college but was annoyed by his alwaysalreadyoutraged/exasperated tone, which in 2014 seems like the only writing style that still exists

sure hes got hardcore readers but if ur writing for a big org like the guardian ppl just see yr stuff too

i used to read him on blogspot btw og greenwald

I started reading with salon. Thats when i first really became aware of commenters

og greenwald

― lag∞n, Friday, December 5, 2014 12:57 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is this a weed name yet

annoyed by his alwaysalreadyoutraged/exasperated tone, which in 2014 seems like the only writing style that still exists

― Treeship, Friday, December 5, 2014 8:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm

I have to say, one of the benefits of Tuesday, despite all my frustrations with the process, is that it has prevented anybody from denying that America tortured — and not just in the three cases of waterboarding. It actually has been a disinfectant of that central lie. I mean, for a long time, that was the debate; it wasn’t “Is torture good?” it was “These things aren’t torture!” Dick Cheney described [waterboarding] as dunking people’s head into water.

What was really annoying for those of us who were actually [covering] this is that the waterboarding was almost the least of it. It was the easiest case to call torture because there was a whole body of law calling waterboarding torture; but [the larger issue] was the entire regiment of techniques that they were using that clearly constituted torture — not on dozens or even hundreds but thousands of people, and not just at Guantánamo but around the world. It was a systematic regime of torture, and I think yesterday’s report has prevented that from being denied any longer.

And that’s why people like Nicolle Wallace and others are now resorting either to “Yes, we tortured, and we should have!” (which I think is a healthy thing to force them to say) or “Yes, we tortured, and we shouldn’t have, but we’re still the greatest thing ever to exist.”

http://www.salon.com/2014/12/11/exclusive_corrupt_toxic_and_sociopathic_glenn_greenwald_unloads_on_torture_cia_and_washingtons_rotten_soul/

corrupt_toxic_and_sociopathic_glenn_greenwald

Glenn Greenwald ‏@ggreenwald 14m14 minutes ago
Over the last decade, some of the worst human rights abuses in Cuba have taken place at this dungeon called .... "Guantanamo".

LOL

the entire regiment of techniques

GET 1 (ONE) PROOFREADER.

it was a verbal interview

Unless GG very clearly pronounced the "t," I assume that whoever transcribed it introduced the error bc they didn't know the difference. This is why everything needs proofreaders.

That makes sense.

@LilianaSegura
There's editing at the bar. And there's editing at the Port Authority bowling alley bar with @ggreenwald & @jeremyscahill. Our finest work.

Links to 4 excellent articles from the last month's worth of The Intercept, only one of which is by Greenwald, & NONE of which are about the NSA (aw, so boring! so tiresomely "trendy", "being outraged at the NSA"....folks (not 'tortured' folks) here at ILXOR are all far too cool for):

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/16/u-s-tv-media-gives-ample-platform-american-torturers-victims/

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/17/billion-dollar-surveillance-blimp-launch-maryland/

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/17/barrett-brown-sentenced/

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/11/20/everything-know-shooting-michael-brown-darren-wilson/

ilx is world renown for its dispassionate, Realpolitik approach to politics

I Am Trying To Break Your Heart - Wilco

http://nick.kinja.com/my-reply-slightly-edited-once-nick-unveiled-his-lets-1678511512/

watch as they morph into the media barons they once despised

I have no idea why something about that exchange is supposed to be revelatory.

is it... are u...

update

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/i-live-in-terror-of-the-fanatic-who-has-only-read-one-story-whether-hes-an-islamist-murderer-or-glenn-greenwald-9984017.html

love that url

what the hell is that?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41mDjRVwzBL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

I love the way Mordy keeps doubling down on the stupid long after his little gee-ha-ha-had on Greenwald has utterly gone wrong-side-of-history.

From the "awesome" url posted:

"A Paris jihadist spoke of turning to terror after seeing Americans torturing Iraqi prisoners on television. It is not to defend such barbarities to say they were but one side of a savage conflict. They too had a past."

defend the indefensible: torture. Right man, there was probably a really good reason for that stuff. Let's hear what it was.

"They did not express the immutable will or character of the American people."

No it wasn't "immutable." After falling all over themselves to support it and freaking out at all dissent, the American people then comfortably blamed it on Bush as soon as they realized it was a stupid move, and all talk of the overwhelming support of 2003 went bye-bye.

"A half-truth is a half-lie."

This is just too brilliant for me to mess with. Go on.

"The invasion of Iraq, however botched, had a past we falsify if we see it only as a story of Western skulduggery."

Right, there was some "good way" to do the "invasion of Iraq".

"It is a false tale, falsely told, that Israelis wantonly butcher children in Gaza."

Right "wantonly" is unfair. Buh-bye now.

"wrong-side-of-history" < i love this phrase on the left. just keep repeating it over and over and you start to feel like everyone agrees w/ you, or if they don't, at least history will vindicate yr beliefs after yr death

i don't think that greenwald is beyond criticism but that article is pretty damned stupid.

also and fuck the guy who wrote this forever:

A Paris jihadist spoke of turning to terror after seeing Americans torturing Iraqi prisoners on television. It is not to defend such barbarities to say they were but one side of a savage conflict. They too had a past. They did not express the immutable will or character of the American people. A half-truth is a half-lie. The invasion of Iraq, however botched, had a past we falsify if we see it only as a story of Western skulduggery.

yeah god forbid we have any nuance in politics, it might obscure our agenda

"vidicate yr beliefs after yr death"???? Mordy, believe it or not I don't have any ill will for you....nah, that's too steep of a belief curve to try to pitch.

So. You are a couple of years past the wrong side of history, at least, with this thread title and continued provocations. Wrong side of history chosen not by the "left", much less by me personally, but by establishment media figures: Pulitzer Prize, great reviews for the book, Oscar nomination for the movie related to the work, you get the picture. Warm relations with Steven Colbert, Rachel Maddow, Bill Moyers, Ta-Nehesi Coates, too name a few. New York Times doing cute story about his dogs. You get the picture.

You wanted to portray Greenwald as a hateful fringe figure. You lost ages ago. If you are right about him, know that you are occupying a much more lonely place than you probably imagined. Go all Nietzsche on the mountaintop (or Moses on the mountaintop, or Julie Andrews on the mountaintop) if you need to, but don't try to act like you speak for some kind of average sensible position anymore.

i think the world's had enough 'nuanced' takes on the most destructive and inexcusable act of u.s. foreign policy of the last 50 years, thx very much

vic perry, believe it or not i have no idea who you are (maybe an old poster w/ a new dn) but you have yet to offer anything interesting enough to be worth responding to so if u forgive me i'll leave you to start your own glenn greenwald thread and stay off mine.

believe it or not I don't have any ill will for you....nah, that's too steep of a belief curve to try to pitch.

like what kind of nonsense is this? sub-morbius ilx poster has ill will for me? god get over yourself.

Nope, I don't believe it, since you attacked me by name just a couple of weeks ago. Presumably you have so many fights you can't actually remember to whom you are responding anymore?

oh wow i totally know who you are now the guy who said something stupid a couple of weeks ago

Yeah I'm that guy, the vaguely anti-somethingorother blur you flail at before losing consciousness.

that was sarcasm bro.

It's okay, the internet remembers everything for you.

Anyway, is this "your" thread? You have some kind of say over who posts here, and what they say?

"You are a couple of years past the wrong side of history, at least, with this thread title and continued provocations."

i was just trying to say if it bothers you so much you don't have to hang out here

woah, i just noticed -- "continued provocations" who knows what to do w/ that. are you glenn greenwald?