Branwell, I know you've all but forbidden me to address you on ILX so it would be great if you didn't trash me and then we could both carry on our merry ways.
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 15:46 (nine years ago) link
I'll tell you what is sad and discouraging: that a "social justice warrior" is someone who objects to stereotyping in a first-world medium. It tells me that this is what the opposition pays attention to - not other, more urgent social justice issues like land use / rights, global health care issues, environmental justice, etc. Depressing.
One guy in my FB feed has lately taken to reporting stories - the common theme seems to be "stuff black people said and did." I only keep him around because 1) he's clearly suffering from dementia 2). it's so bad I can't look away.
― Opus Gai (I M Losted), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link
First, I have literally no idea who you are, dude. Second, if you think that "straight white men have this tendency to prefer and privilege the opinions of other straight white men as 'more objective'" is "trashing" someone, wow, you have lived a pretty sheltered life. Have a nice day, whoever you are.
― Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link
In the context of social media - esp. FB, where fellow churchgoers, high school friends, old neighbors, etc. "reunite", it's not merely a bias or prejudice - it's bad behavior. Those reposts or "likes" are being shared in a context of community, and when you're showing off your vacations abroad, your McMansion and your luxury car along with your ill-considered opinions, you're proclaiming your social status. Very rude, actually. Can't you do what some people do and link to a charity?
― Opus Gai (I M Losted), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 16:11 (nine years ago) link
xp I'm DL and apart from this I am having a nice day.
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 16:12 (nine years ago) link
Ex: when white guys with fat retirements told jokes to my dad about "black athletes who can't speak English". My dad had black friends - incl. a Harlem Globetrotter, we grew up watching black athletes, it hurt my feelings. Like, " my money bought me the privilege to make you feel less worthy with my thoughtless comments."
― Opus Gai (I M Losted), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 16:15 (nine years ago) link
I might make a 'social justice warrior' shirt, though it seems like it would need some kind of logo...
― Spaceport Leuchars (dowd), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
The twitter bird standing upright, chest puffed out, ready for a battle
― Treeship, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
Isn't some of this stuff kind of like, "now that grandpa is on FB, let's send him 'social justice warrior', 'feminazi' and 'political correctness run amok' scare stories"! Some of this is so "old white man discovers Internet."
― Opus Gai (I M Losted), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 17:23 (nine years ago) link
bothers me that grayson perry continues to refer to himself as a "tranny" in his recent spate of interviews
― fuhgeddaboudit! (missingNO), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link
What is going on with Grayson's opening para:
Paddle your canoe up the River Thames and you will come round the bend and see a forest of huge totems jutting into the sky. Great shiny monoliths in various phallic shapes, they are the wondrous cultural artefacts of a remarkable tribe. We all know someone from this powerful tribe but we very rarely, if ever, ascribe their power to the fact that they have a particular tribal identity.
Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Tokyo etc. Was this really a good opening example?
― Twist of Caliphate (Bob Six), Thursday, 9 October 2014 11:43 (nine years ago) link
I think the business suit is a better example eg...no matter where you go in the world, people have abandoned their own often colourful and relaxed - clothing and embraced the business suit.. that drab uniform and cultural artefact that instantly communicates subscription to a range of values and a dull seriousness.
― Twist of Caliphate (Bob Six), Thursday, 9 October 2014 12:05 (nine years ago) link
"SJW" was first used against black feminists, some of whom are now pissed about white mainstream feminists trying to reclaim that title when it wasn't them that it was originally coined to hurt. See @dtwps' #SJWhistory tag: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23sjwhistory&src=typd
There was also a lot more related stuff buried in @dtwps' feed that they didn't tag so it's kind of hard to get to now.
― goon kabuki (The Reverend), Friday, 10 October 2014 05:54 (nine years ago) link
^^yes
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Friday, 10 October 2014 15:11 (nine years ago) link
didn't know about that
― example (crüt), Friday, 10 October 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link
I didn't know that either and I'm sure a lot of people who use SJW don't. I didn't use it much or think about its roots particularly but as soon as I saw it used as an insult in gamergate I realised it had been twisted too far to be used in anything other than a toxic way.
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Friday, 10 October 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link
could've sworn i saw "social justice warrior" in tumblr about-me paragraphs before all that happened but i'm probably misremembering
i've followed r!ley since 2009 and remember when "SJW" started sprouting up, wasn't under the impression it was limited to those specific events but it wouldn't surprise me. r/TumblrInAction ("TIA") was basically reddit's introduction to That Side of tumblr (and by extension the livejournal communities that had been doing "SJ" for years ignored) and that group of black writers would get attacked there more than anyone else.
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 10 October 2014 17:54 (nine years ago) link
would it be callous of me to ask who r!ley is? serious q because they seem to be an important person?
― example (crüt), Friday, 10 October 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link
i haven't followed any of this and am trying to make sense of it all but it's honestly quite confusing what i have gathered is that "sjw" = "social justice warrior" and this is now considered an insultbeyond that idgi :-/
― cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Friday, 10 October 2014 18:09 (nine years ago) link
xp it isn't weird for you not to know. a v central figure in "SJ" tumblr before it became as huge as it is now, originally called their blog "dumbth!ngswhitepeoplesay". posted a zillion times a day and faced a lot of harassment and was unwilling to back down from a lot of opposition. posted a lot of really good dessert recipes. feel weird saying more than that about someone who isn't like... a public figure.
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Friday, 10 October 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
Cover looks kinda... I dunno? different when accompanied by list of contributors (and especially who gets top billing)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bzl5m-XIQAAjjOi.jpg
Your satire is rather blunted when you repeat the same trope you're supposedly criticising.
― Jacques Lacan let me rock u; let me rock u, Jacques Lacan (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 11 October 2014 11:47 (nine years ago) link
that's hilarious
― lool at the herrlich (wins), Saturday, 11 October 2014 11:53 (nine years ago) link
face of horror at the idea of that martin amis piece
― lex pretend, Saturday, 11 October 2014 11:56 (nine years ago) link
There's got to be some kind of word for the level of not even satire hypocrisy involved with something like that.
― Jacques Lacan let me rock u; let me rock u, Jacques Lacan (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 11 October 2014 12:01 (nine years ago) link
Christ.
― woof, Saturday, 11 October 2014 12:10 (nine years ago) link
They forgot scatological porn and hating the proles.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 11 October 2014 12:19 (nine years ago) link
Quite tempted to poll the worst white man on that cover.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 11 October 2014 12:23 (nine years ago) link
had to be all white men including the 'with' section to pull that off
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Saturday, 11 October 2014 12:29 (nine years ago) link
how to look like the ruling elf
― j., Saturday, 11 October 2014 12:30 (nine years ago) link
ugh mary beard
― local eire man (darraghmac), Saturday, 11 October 2014 12:31 (nine years ago) link
surely baddiel worst but never read amis
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Saturday, 11 October 2014 12:31 (nine years ago) link
SJW replaced with skeletons
http://i.imgur.com/WZmTgrH.png
― 龜, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 12:39 (nine years ago) link
where does that come from, any idea
― local eire man (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 13:08 (nine years ago) link
ILAFL it looks like
― 龜, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 14:22 (nine years ago) link
x-posts: check out #SJW if you want to peep at what the "enemy" is up to. It's more entertaining than feeling like you're eavesdropping on some little twitter. WHAT is "gamer gate"?
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 16:26 (nine years ago) link
how the fuck do we have 4 different threads featuring people asking "what is gamer gate" rn
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:21 (nine years ago) link
i mean i get it and thats no shots at u I M Losted its just frustrating that their garbaggio is in half my tabs right now and all i am is a witness, can't imagine being a target
here's a primer: http://deadspin.com/the-future-of-the-culture-wars-is-here-and-its-gamerga-1646145844
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:22 (nine years ago) link
#NotYourGoogle
― Chimp Arsons, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:23 (nine years ago) link
Thanks, I was investiGATing this point as you were typing. A few observations:
-are gamers worth my time?-weird Randoid Slavic libertarianism is bringing out the "nativist" in me. It's so in-American, it's turning me into a flag-waver
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:27 (nine years ago) link
UN-American, I mean. Weird how these Russians are all "fuck yeah".
― Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:29 (nine years ago) link
gamers are not worth your time
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
i really want to be on the right side of history re: gamergate but i can't get over my initial reaction, which is "don't play video games"
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
some video games are fun and all but i guess i don't get why everything has to have a 'culture.'
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link
i thought gamergate was about who killed Roger Ebert
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link
i don't get why everything has to have a 'culture.'
I'm sure you know the actual answer to this. Sociologists started slicing off subcultures from mainstream cultures many decades ago and, once started, this process has no clear stopping place. By now, bowling leagues and book clubs are sometimes treated as subcultures.
Politically speaking, it is especially useful to have a culture to defend, as this aligns you with the general movement for minority rights and allows you to frame the argument in terms of your oppression by outsiders. The co-option of this narrative was pioneered by opponents of affirmative action. Now it is everywhere.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link
Alt litgate must be super stoked bigger group of nerds snatched the spotlight
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
no, that lasted about as long as a controversy over alt lit was ever going to last
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
oh it continues, it's just back to only existing within the petri dish. and thank god.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link
sigh
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/realestate/a-greenwich-village-apartment-for-a-creative-soul.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&bicmp=AD&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id&bicmst=1409232722000&bicmet=1419773522000&_r=1
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 18 October 2014 00:38 (nine years ago) link
I hadnt really read about gamergate until yesterday. Horrifying. I seriously don't understand the rape and murder threat thing but I think it should be something that carries serious legal penalty.
― Treeship, Saturday, 18 October 2014 01:38 (nine years ago) link