Crystal Castles

and so castles made of crystal, fall into the sistal, eventuallistal

having fallen hard for III this week, so, i have just ordered I and II via amazon marketplace

total price incl. postage : £6.66

how more goth can you get.

happened to listen to crystal castles (ii) today. was reminded of what bullshit the robert smith version of "not in love" is.

used to be heavy on one of my pandora stations, a really good productivity music band iirc

classic band

even if they plagiarized posters or whatever

new album, guess no one cares anymore

Quite a journey from first to last post huh

Most recent album was pretty good. Alice Glass ep was even better.

Alice Glass has just posted more fully about Ethan Kath and why she left the band. Trigger warnings noted, this is not an easy read.

http://www.alice-glass.com/cc/

holy fuck that is horrible

this is really awful. I love the first two crystal castles albums but they won’t sound the same to me anymore. i was always a fan of her vocals. she seemed so powerful — sometimes frightening — i never would have imagined that this was the actual dynamic in that band.

Wow, what a tough read. Kudos to her for finally getting out from his manipulative, abusive grip and calling him out on it.

this is really awful. I love the first two crystal castles albums but they won’t sound the same to me anymore. i was always a fan of her vocals. she seemed so powerful — sometimes frightening — i never would have imagined that this was the actual dynamic in that band.

― Treeship, Tuesday, October 24, 2017 6:57 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, this. Although we may have to have the good old bad-people-often-make-good-art-but-actually-let's-not-financially-support-this-fuck conversation.

Also, this story is out of the blue to me (and to this thread) but apparently it's not the first time she's spoken out - from the Crystal Castles Wikipedia page;

In early 2016, the band was included in the announced lineup for the 79 Cents event at SXSW, a concert showcase organized by Tumblr to highlight women's income disparity. Shortly after, this choice was criticized by former member Alice Glass:

As someone who knew Ethan Kath on a personal and professional level, it is my opinion that he is not an appropriate artist to be performing at a feminism-centric event.
— Alice Glass, in interview with The Verge

In reaction to this statement, the band was removed from the lineup.

didn't these guys use a woman with a black eye as an album cover once

can we change thread title to Crystal Castles (suck)

Idk “Black Panther” and the album version of “Not in Love” are amazing tracks

xp It was Madonna with a black eye, and they were sued by the artist for using it without his permission.

http://i51.tinypic.com/wmmqtf.jpg

It was pretty bad then, much worse with this context now.

I never really thought about the dude. My emotional investment in the band was based on loving the albums and being a fan of her as a vocalist, performer, and personality. So it’s an odd situation in terms of what to think of this material now.

Jesus I forgot about that.

Xp

I would also request that mods remove "rule" from the thread title

I never listened to this band but is their music really no longer good

don't need it replaced with "sucks" or whatever it's just....a little uncomfortable to leave it as is

Crystal Castles (problematic)

Maybe start a new thread? I know that ilx unlike other boards does encourage the use of older threads, but rather than retconning the opinions of a decade ago we could just move the discussion to somewhere with a more appropriate title.

looks like somebody fixed it

Didn't we already knew Ethan Kath was a huge douchebag? He wrote this when Alice released her first solo single:

https://i.imgur.com/0VNlN10.png

yeah you totally don't care dude

https://i.imgur.com/0VNlN10.png

yeah I remember that happening, and people generally thinking he was a fucking dickbag because of it. I certainly never gave them any time again after she left

Also someone should tell him CC best known song is Crimewave.

You know in the context of Alice's statement that facebook post from Ethan is proof that he is an insecure piece of shit and he did enjoy undermining her.

Seems all of CC upcoming concerts have been cancelled. Hope this is a career killer for him.

I can't defend Alice either though, two friends worked with her in some venues and she's also very rude and shitty to everyone.

Seems like that's two rather different things being compared.

also sounds like she may have some reasons for being emotionally uncomfortable in work situations with strangers

Yeah of course they’re different things you’re right. Ethan apologists on the CC fb page right now are making me sick.

So much of that fourth Crystal Castles album was trolling Alice. He diminished her in statements, literally wrote her out of the band's history in its official press material, and seemed to be mocking her (and really all women) with that cover. It all seemed distasteful at the time, but in light of all the new information it's fucking abhorrent—an entire album of an abuser taunting his victim. Maybe the most morally unconscionable record since Chris Brown's Graffiti.

Yeah I feel like Alice's past rep as "difficult" has to be understood in this context. First of all she was just a kid when she started, and who knows what kind of encouragement he gave her to act out, how much she was following his lead, etc. No consolation to people who had to deal with snotty-young-punk behavior, but she was clearly coming from a weird place throughout the CC experience.

I was surprised that until this week there hadn't been much observable backlash from their fanbase (and some people who liked them enough to buy tickets to a show didn't even know that Alice wasn't in the group anymore).

https://www.facebook.com/pictureplane/posts/1688757071187015

jfc some of the comments on that thread

"seemed to be mocking her (and really all women) with that cover" the girls on swings? really?

Four nearly identical girls, on an album that swaps out one woman for another like it's no big deal. Seemed meant as commentary on how replaceable/interchangeable women are to me. How did you read it?

i never got into this band but i almost did cos i liked the name alot (and she was v compelling as a performer) . i remember Hipster Runoff talked about them a lot and did some ironic/unironic objectifying of the lead singer. the whole thing is disgusting. really glad that she is out of that situation. holy crap.

fuck that fb post btw

i read it as some goth kids on a swing, but I didn't think about it very much either.

(I've never listened to this band btw, but at one point was booked to open for them on this tour so ended up reading way more about them than I ever wanted to)

#humblebrag

Swapping out Alice Glass for basically a doppelgänger when she quit was eerie

I feel very disturbed by all of this given how much I listened to those first two albums in college