sun kil moon?

Had he been to rehab before?

when he was 14

kinda feels like this is leading up to heading back there

I'm not sure any of this is drug/alcohol related. He's been saying this kind of shit at gigs for years. It's just now he's got Pitchfork etc. covering his every move.

^

Yeah honestly I can't tell if this is a sign of darker things or just a high-profile bored trolling

I'm not sure any of this is drug/alcohol related. He's been saying this kind of shit at gigs for years. It's just now he's got Pitchfork etc. covering his every move.

decades

i mean jeers to calling a woman a bad word, but cheers to an old crank making the internet's beef obsession work for him

don't really understand people saying this is far and away his best or worst song of late - pretty guitars with stream-of-conscious hyper-personal lyrics, seems fairly par for course

seems like the dude just comes up with a lick and then croons whatever's on his mind over it, be it they might be giants lyrics or his shopping list

i mean jeers to calling a woman a bad word, but cheers to an old crank making the internet's beef obsession work for him

otm

I think the anti-fan commentary is fascinating. When I was a teenager I wrote Mark a few letters, he always replied. In fact, I, for whatever reason, stopped our correspondence. I still order from Caldo Verde and the notes and knick knacks he includes strike me as sincere and personal gesture of gratitude.

He’s very much a pre-Internet performer. I think closeness for fans today is very different than it was when Red House Painters emerged. It’s far more personal for him. He’ll never retweet or reblog and I think that’s fine.

oh god the pitchfork article on this. STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO THE TROLL PEOPLE.

dunno, personally i would rather someone call out high-profile macho bullshit as such than just report it tmz-style

kinda hard not to pay attention to a troll who's this dedicated to not shutting the f--- up. yes he seems to have always been like this, and yes people are paying more attention now b/c outlets beyond the hipsterverse have discovered benji, and editors know that this crap gets clicks. but if it doesn't exist with this frequency no one writes on it. and for the record, if it's dumb trolly behavior, so what if it's only being covered with such frequency now? that doesn't make it less annoying, especially for someone who appreciates how good his music is independent of all this. if it didn't involve calling someone a stupid bitch and using homophobic language, it'd just be mildly pathetic. but it does do those things.

as for the p4k pitch post, no mark kozelek might not have active fantasies about forcing buzz bands to fellate him and is definitely trolling but his language does tie into the systemic things that meredith graves is discussing.

if it didn't involve calling someone a stupid bitch and using homophobic language, it'd just be mildly pathetic. but it does do those things.

How many of Pitchfork’s Top 100 Tracks of 2015 will include a lyric calling someone “a stupid bitch” and homophobic language?

(I should emphasize that I don’t think anyone should do either and that’s changed my music preferences dramatically …)

oh wow that's gotta be a landspeed record for finding a way to indict rap music damn bruh

if it had even been like, a good song, or had a real point, honestly i could probably find a way to let those things go. maybe i'm a hypocrite for letting it go in a fair amount of the rap music i love. so the hell be it.

maybe i'm a hypocrite for letting it go in a fair amount of the rap music i love. so the hell be it.

― slothroprhymes, Wednesday, October 8, 2014 11:44 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i say this as a rap fan: there is no "maybe"

the one 100% true fact about this is that the song is currently playing in the daily tar heel office, like right now

welp, there it is. oh to the well.

xp the DTH can lick my boots

That whole p4k article blows details way out of proportion, honestly.

Ha. Wow. That article...

(n.b. I don't know this for a fact. but I also... kinda know it for a fact)

So happy with that article, fist-pumps for days

"war on drugs suck my cock" sounds like that acoustic version of "i kill everything i fuck" that an ilxor recorded 10 years ago

yeah Meredith Graves' article was excellent, fuck this guy

it never really would have occurred to me that the red house painters guy's cock would become erect in the first place so this whole scandal seems absurd

suck my cock is maybe as homophobic a phrase as perfect pussy is transphobic a phrase. they're also equally terrible phrases to use for your music band.

the allusions to emotional & physical abuse in the lyrics of red house painters songs used to make me distressed to the point of nausea when I was a sad teen. now I don't listen to RHP anymore (save for an occasional revisit of "bubble" from the bridge album which has a nice melody)

the whole troll campaign is so lame, i dont think he's off his rocker, he's just trying to make some money and get some attention and succeeding, but he's such a nasty prick, calling a journalist a "spoiled bitch" and using "suck my cock" as an insult, it's a bit out of date, no?

I thought the analysis of "suck my cock" was reaching quite a bit. I definitely agree it is very douchey though.

"suck my cock" as an insult isnt much different from calling someone a fag/bitch/cunt, whatever- this graf:

Which is why, in all likelihood, Kozelek chose to say "suck my cock" instead of "I think your band is bad." "Suck my cock" is a command heard most often in two places: heterosexual porn, and schoolyard taunts between presumably straight boys. In no way does Mark Kozelek actually want his cock sucked by the members of the War on Drugs. What he wants is to make them feel violated, to make them feel submissive. "Suck my cock" is an order, not a request. "Suck my cock" is, when used by the wrong person, the language of physical force, the language of rape. He wants the world to know that he thinks TWOD sucks cock, implying that sucking cock is a bad thing. Who sucks cock? Not straight dudes like Mark Kozelek, but women and gay men. Which one of these groups is he using as an insult?

although i think it's safe to say "suck my cock" appears in almost all forms of pornography where a cock is involved

lol

even fake ones!

it never really would have occurred to me that the red house painters guy's cock would become erect in the first place so this whole scandal seems absurd

― j., Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:12 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah dude's music is SO PUSSY right bro

hey antidepressants are no joke

criticizing something you find objectionable by stooping to its level is the american way, can't knock that

i just think if you want to effectively demean somebody by talking about your cock you would be wise to consider the rhetorical position from which you do so

He wants the world to know that he thinks TWOD sucks cock, implying that sucking cock is a bad thing.

There is a leap here. He never says "TWOD sucks cock" as an insult (I think?). I agree that he is saying grossly macho stuff, but the song title seems to only hinge on the power dynamic involved in oral sex that is not reciprocated. It does not imply that sucking cock is a bad thing imo.

the rest of the paragraph seems OTM though

Yeah that was my thought too, more or less.

ilm busts out the extra powerful textual analysis magnifying glass for sun kil moon song "war on drugs: suck my cock"

great thread

anyways, fuck this guy imo

Admiral Fell Promises forever! (also ghosts)

April is good too.

maybe MK and chris ott (if he hasn't clipped himself yet) could band together and form like the hipsterati version of that MRA group a voice for men can you imagine the thinkpieces and (justified) outrage that would spawn.

hey mark and chris if you see this i'd like my intellectual property payment in ones and fives please

Is there any real consensus on the best Kozelek releases?

As I said earlier, I think the first two RHP albums are amongst the best music I've ever heard. The 3rd album and the 1st EP are in that same sweet area.
Ocean Beach and Old Ramon was mostly lukewarm for me but had some great tracks too. I really love Songs For A Blue Guitar.
Haven't heard the RHP tribute album stuff (was it the John Denver one with Slowdive's Rachel Goswell? I heard that was the last RHP stuff).

I mostly liked Ghosts Of The Great Highway, especially the incredible "Duk Koo Kim".
I mildly enjoyed April and didn't get much from Admiral Fell Promises. Some people vastly prefer Sun Kil Moon to early RHP but I just don't get that.

My ranking

Red House Painters- I (rollercoaster)
Red House Painters- Down Colorful Hill
Red House Painters- Songs For A Blue Guitar
Red House Painters- II (bridge)
Sun Kil Moon- Ghosts Of The Great Highway
Red House Painters- Shock Me EP
Red House Painters- Ocean Beach
Sun Kil Moon- April
Red House Painters- Old Ramon
Sun Kil Moon- Admiral Fell Promises

What do you recommend next? Are the AC/DC cover albums still favourites?