Marvel Comics blabbery

I'm presuming they're trying to match the cartoon titles exactly

it's actually kind of a savvy (though also obnoxious) move to title a second year of books "season 2" to match the TV series
web warriors is a good idea considering there's going to be a separate canon Miles Morales series that will follow Axis (if i understand correctly)

So is Axis going to be really bad or what?

Kinda old at this point but I don't remember seeing this piece on Ike Perlmutter posted anywhere around these parts. Pretty eye-opening. Among the alleged revelations: in order to punish the studios who are thwarting Marvel's desire to have all of their properties under one cinematic roof, there will be no new characters in the X-books and FF is being cancelled outright.

Interesting, not aware of that guy. I didn't see anything about hobbling the X-Books and FF though, which sounds a little farfetched

That is more recent allegations. Can't remember who said there is a mandate not to create new x-characters, but it was someone with inside information. And it really seems as if FF will be canceled next year.

Well, I imagine that sales of the FF comic are pretty marginal, and probably have been for years (it's sort've the same situation as with Superman - a foundational comic that doesn't actually sell that well.) But if only to protect the copyright, I'm sure the characters will continue to appear in Marvel Universe Comics, even if not in their own title.

Oh, that stuff might've been in the io9 article I read last night that linked to the Perlmutter article. Sorry 'bout that.

There's been an excess of X-characters since.. what, 1982? So that's not a totally bad idea to ease up on introducing new mutants. I say this just having read that years-long Messiah Complex-Messiah War run from ~2008-2010.

FF - yeah, I wonder when the last time FF was really a top Marvel book, maybe the 80s? How successful was that Waid run from the early 2000s in sales?

In a way, the Hickman run was pretty crucial, just in the way it showed what Hickman could do. He moved from there to Avengers. It also sold really, really well when one of them died. The Fraction FF with Shehulk, Medusa, Ant-man and, um, She-thing?, was pretty fun as well, and had good art by Allred.

the last super hot FF run i remember was these:
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/23/comics-you-should-own-fantastic-four-347-349/

ha, EXACTLY what I was thinking of! that Arthur Adams art was awesome

Can't remember who said there is a mandate not to create new x-characters, but it was someone with inside information

Claremont.

guhhhhh

http://comicsbeat.com/marvel-relaunching-secret-wars-in-2015-in-a-synergistic-fashion-across-the-marvel-brand

fucks sake

i guess Miles Morales is gonna keep showing up in the 616 then...

Those FFs are fun - checked them on MU. Thanks for that. And also this line in the CBR piece:

"Art Adams' women are gorgeous without being skanky."

The original Secret Wars was exactly what company-wide events should be: the crossover part of the plot was limited to one maxi-series, and only the after-effects were shown in individual titles, so you didn't have to read any of the tie-in issues to get what's going on. It's sad that Marvel seems to have forgotten this, the crossovers of the 00s and 10s have become increasingly incoherent messes, with different writers adding their own bits that often don't jibe with each other. Seems like the new SW will be like this too.

But I guess back in the 80s they had to consider the fact that most of their readers were kids who couldn't afford to buy every tie-in issue, not middle-aged geezers who can.

CBR is an appallingly written website. I have a bizarre compulsion to read their 'Comics Legends Explained' series every saturday morning, but I come for the trivia, not the prose, which is eye-wateringly clumsy and amateur.

Not all of their writers are bad, though... Personally I like Greg Burgas, who currently has a nice article series running where he analyzes the stylish developments of various comic book artists. It's true that Brian Cronin, the guy who writes (among others) the Comic Book Legends series, has a weirdly amateurish writing style, even though he's done it for years and has even published a book on the those comic book legends.

was that book self-published? it's a good feature/book idea, but so badly written.

Nope, it appears to have been published by a subsidiary of Penguin. And judging by that first Amazon review, it suffers from the same problems as his columns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00LIsgWrKPs

that's a pretty good stan lee voice

The original Secret Wars was exactly what company-wide events should be

a legal dodge to safeguard against potential lawsuits from creators that the company screwed over? sounds about right

??

I thought it was to sell toys.

dying at K&P sketch

I thought it was to sell toys.

persistent rumor that makes a lot of sense (c+p'd from another forum): The reason for the Secret Wars was back in 1982/83, Jack Kirby was in a lawsuit against Marvel over the rights of the characters he created and to get his original art back. The rumor is that Jim Shooter wrote Secret Wars in order to subtly change some of the characters in case Marvel lost (Spidey in the Black suit, She-Hulk joining FF, various characters in costume/personality changes etc). Marvel were afraid that if Jack won, then other artists (ie-Steve Ditko), would file their own suit. Hence, the mass-scale change. After Kirby and Marvel settled the characters that were changed reverted back to their original conception.

I have no evidence to support this apart from the timeline lining up and my enduring confidence in the bottomless pit of Marvel's cynicism

Kirby was not involved in a lawsuit with Marvel.

I couldn't remember if he was just threatening or it was a dispute or a lawsuit had been filed or not but I had faith that you would correct me

Marvel Universe Ultimate Spider-Man is now known as Marvel Universe Ultimate Spider-Man Web Warriors

wtf

It's a comic for kids, as in actual kids five years old or something. It looks like this:

http://subscriptions.marvel.com/images/PRODUCT/FUL/3891_ful.jpg

It's got nothing to do with the Marvel Universe or the Ultimate Universe. It's just for little kids, so it's got a fun name.

Oh wait, it's the name of a cartoon for kids. So this is the comic of the cartoon.

Marvel's Ultimate Spider Man Web Warriors: The Comic of The Cartoon

Exactly.

tbf almost every Marvel/DC animated show has had a counterpart book in the style of the show

i see ultimate spiderman, classic spiderman, brock venom, SpiderMan2099, Scarlet Spider and Spider Girl... who are the other two?

The one on the right edge I think is Spider-Man Noir. Red/Yellow Iron Spidey was from Civil War-era. The two on the left I'm not sure about.

lol "Spider Man Noir"; that sounds right.
I'm pretty sure red/yellow spidey is the scarlet spider
Bottom left is nu-hero Venom. It's the one above that I can't place.

Ha, the Iron Spider is an alternate universe Amadeus Cho! Nice!

Spider-Ham makes an appearance. I might actually watch this show

I think most of these and more will be in EDGE OF SPIDERVERSE

I thought you were joking but that's a real event!

I know, right? Those pesky spider-killers are jumping across universes and only a team of spider-people can stop them!

Marvel's Ultimate Spider Man Web Warriors The Comic of The Cartoon presents EDGE OF THE SPIDERVERSE: And One Must Fall!

They haven't quite been there yet, forks

excelsior

The red/yellow Spider-Man is indeed from Civil War era: there were three clones (or something) that wore that costume, though AFAIK they weren't related to Scarlet Spider or the original Clone Saga. IIRC Spider-Man himself might've worn the red/yellow thing at some point too.

Ah, apparently the CW era red/yellow spidermen were also called "Scarlet Spiders", even though they had nothing to do with the Clone Saga Scarlet Spider. How confusing.