privilege as a meme

ime it was originally a mocking label that has evolved into a reclaimed self-label

― Mordy, Monday, October 6, 2014 8:10 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^this, actually

have they completely reclaimed it yet?

because i still see it used mockingly, a lot

i mean i dont think its possible to completely eradicate mockery through reclamation

it was used sparingly back in 09/10 (earliest i saw it anyway) as a sincere self-descriptor

the "SJW" abbreviation was mocking from the beginning

and tbh any reclamation is still 100% snark/sarcasm like the image above, anyone who uses it as a serious descriptor is #notyourshield

roxy probably otm but it's a step in the right direction imo

ultimately it'll be of limited value/relevance to detractors and nobody will rly use it any more

idk tho

redditors and 4channers and... breitbart.com?? now use the term as a serious non-outright-mocking classification and seem to be under the impression that people still sincerely self-identify as SJW so i'm not sure what good "reclamation" will do outside of it being funny

tumblr shot first

social justice warriors come out to plaaaayaa

really?

http://www.vogue.com/2208057/leaving-new-york-city-country-life-woodstock/

DO TELL GOOD SIR

feel like SJW was initially hardcore tumblr marxist above-it-all types making fun of sensitive would-be activists?? can't prove this but I feel like that was the sphere I first saw it in

have def heard anti-SJW rhetoric from hardline marxists who usually have a 'safe space anecdote' or two up their sleeve

At the risk of sounding appalingly pretentious...

all articles on the nyt quiddities thread should start like this from now on

MODS

He risked it. It happened. He should have taken better precautions.

The awl published a v interesting piece on the history of problematic recently

yeah SJW is used in a clannish, wagon-circling way by online neocons in relation to #gamergate to describe Those Awful People Who Criticized Our Games (i.e. the Zoe Quinn & Anita Sarkeesian stalking MRA troll-crew from 4chan and their stooges, enablers and exploiters)

it's weird to do a Twitter search for #gamergate because the gamer bros have created all these decoy/Catfish "female gamer" twitter identities who tow their party line and mouth the slogans, and there's all this high-minded/laughable invocation of how it's all about "standards in gaming journalism", but you can't really tell who's legit and who's a sockpuppet anymore

sad that for some people the idea of actually believing in furthering the cause of social justice is itself laughable (and all on behalf of the noble calling of shooting zombies in digital labyrinths / running over prostitutes in GTA5 etc.)

'social justice warrior' for real sounds like the best title ever

Yeah I understand it started as a derogatory term but they probably could have chosen a meaner sounding epithet?

social justice dragon

social justice weiner

if ever the day happens when I could have a business card that says

my name
social justice warrior

I will think 'I have truly made it'
I will cry some joyful tears

but you can't really tell who's legit and who's a sockpuppet anymore

http://unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/they_live_3.jpg

http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2014/10/grayson-perry-rise-and-fall-default-man

I like the cover.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bza2okyCEAA_FYc.jpg

All the men I know are passing that link round going "wow, Grayson Perry is so amazing, this is mind-blowing stuff!"

And all the women I know are rolling their eyes and going "Grayson Perry repeats a bunch of stuff that feminists have been saying since the days of bell hooks, and now suddenly a successful white-male luvvy with a Turner Prize says it and they can hear it as if for the first time? Really?"

I mean, good on him for saying it in a ~tone~ you all can finally hear, but please, don't expect applause or feminist cookies.

I did love that comment (I know, I know..) that had somebody claiming that "Default Man" was actually created (or perpetuated) by all those Trophy Wives....

saw that article on twitter due to numerous women praising and RT'ing it

Oh, I'm sure you have! But it's funny that way, when I see people say "I've seen tons of women / black people / queer ppl etc retweeting this piece" it says quite a lot about the friends that you have self selected.

I'm sure the article is fine, and "Important" and worthy and all that.

But it's just that same thing again. Like what happened on (whichever one of the 8 billion "music journalism sucks" threads we have going at any time) earlier, like where the {straight, white male with a job at a national newspaper} was complaining of thinkpiece fatigue of having to read so many pieces about Miley-Rhianna-Lilly-Lorde-Beyonce-Whatever. But then he goes, "oh, wait, no, there was a good piece I read on it..." and just funnily enough, he picks out to laud the one piece by DL, y'know, the {straight, white male with a job at that national newspaper} and praises it for, I dunno, it was one of those weaselly words like "reportage" or something which is basically a synonym for "Objective" like, yes, it's funny, that. You have to have the straight white man with the same Background as you explain the issues before it stops being ~just noise~ and useless and starts being "Proper Reporting" and "Objective" and all that.

Greyson Perry said a thing. I'm sure it's great.

I can pretty easily mentally separate the friends I have on soc med who are likely to have already been having conversations about various things from the ones who will hear them from a mainstream outlet and repost them like the sun just came up. It's fine, it's what we want, right? For even suburban normals to care about equality issues? I'm usually just glad SOMETHING reaches the rah rah gun rights Middle America part of my fb feed when that happens.

The OH A MAN SAID SOMETHING ish is real though.

Branwell, have you heard this?

http://www.podcastone.com/pg/jsp/program/episode.jsp?programID=592&pid=448486

the LOOK A MAN SAID IT was particularly noticeable with this piece - i think in a lot of cases (see also russell brand) it's often because the White Man in question may essentially be regurgitating what hundreds of women and non-white ppl have been saying for years, but he'll do it in this incredibly (self-)important tone - very self-conscious Good Writing, aiming for that #longread credibility etc. (bc he's had the luxury to sit on the issue, to mull it over, to present it in that detached tone rather than having to constantly react to bullshit? or bc that's the language of the writing establishment in which he's been trained?)

i mean, the perry piece is very well-written and articulate and also manages to be incredibly long without alighting on a single thing i haven't read before

Branwell, I know you've all but forbidden me to address you on ILX so it would be great if you didn't trash me and then we could both carry on our merry ways.

I'll tell you what is sad and discouraging: that a "social justice warrior" is someone who objects to stereotyping in a first-world medium. It tells me that this is what the opposition pays attention to - not other, more urgent social justice issues like land use / rights, global health care issues, environmental justice, etc. Depressing.

One guy in my FB feed has lately taken to reporting stories - the common theme seems to be "stuff black people said and did." I only keep him around because 1) he's clearly suffering from dementia 2). it's so bad I can't look away.

First, I have literally no idea who you are, dude. Second, if you think that "straight white men have this tendency to prefer and privilege the opinions of other straight white men as 'more objective'" is "trashing" someone, wow, you have lived a pretty sheltered life. Have a nice day, whoever you are.

In the context of social media - esp. FB, where fellow churchgoers, high school friends, old neighbors, etc. "reunite", it's not merely a bias or prejudice - it's bad behavior. Those reposts or "likes" are being shared in a context of community, and when you're showing off your vacations abroad, your McMansion and your luxury car along with your ill-considered opinions, you're proclaiming your social status. Very rude, actually. Can't you do what some people do and link to a charity?

xp I'm DL and apart from this I am having a nice day.

Ex: when white guys with fat retirements told jokes to my dad about "black athletes who can't speak English". My dad had black friends - incl. a Harlem Globetrotter, we grew up watching black athletes, it hurt my feelings. Like, " my money bought me the privilege to make you feel less worthy with my thoughtless comments."

I might make a 'social justice warrior' shirt, though it seems like it would need some kind of logo...

The twitter bird standing upright, chest puffed out, ready for a battle

Isn't some of this stuff kind of like, "now that grandpa is on FB, let's send him 'social justice warrior', 'feminazi' and 'political correctness run amok' scare stories"! Some of this is so "old white man discovers Internet."

bothers me that grayson perry continues to refer to himself as a "tranny" in his recent spate of interviews

What is going on with Grayson's opening para:

Paddle your canoe up the River Thames and you will come round the bend and see a forest of huge totems jutting into the sky. Great shiny monoliths in various phallic shapes, they are the wondrous cultural artefacts of a remarkable tribe. We all know someone from this powerful tribe but we very rarely, if ever, ascribe their power to the fact that they have a particular tribal identity.

Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Tokyo etc. Was this really a good opening example?

I think the business suit is a better example eg...no matter where you go in the world, people have abandoned their own often colourful and relaxed - clothing and embraced the business suit.. that drab uniform and cultural artefact that instantly communicates subscription to a range of values and a dull seriousness.

"SJW" was first used against black feminists, some of whom are now pissed about white mainstream feminists trying to reclaim that title when it wasn't them that it was originally coined to hurt. See @dtwps' #SJWhistory tag: https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23sjwhistory&src=typd

There was also a lot more related stuff buried in @dtwps' feed that they didn't tag so it's kind of hard to get to now.