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― the late great, Monday, 6 October 2014 20:07 (nine years ago) link
well played chimp
― the late great, Monday, 6 October 2014 20:08 (nine years ago) link
Is "social justice warrior" primarily a sincere self-label or primarily a mocking label? It's pretty awful.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:09 (nine years ago) link
mocking
― the late great, Monday, 6 October 2014 20:09 (nine years ago) link
quickly gaining traction in the right wing trollscape
― the late great, Monday, 6 October 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link
ime it was originally a mocking label that has evolved into a reclaimed self-label
― Mordy, Monday, 6 October 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=social%20justice%20warrior
― zero content albums (darraghmac), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:10 (nine years ago) link
it's our generation's "cause heads"
i just figured out it's quite old now (urban dictionary from 2011) but for whatever reason it's popped up on my radar a lot more recently
― the late great, Monday, 6 October 2014 20:11 (nine years ago) link
― Mordy, Monday, October 6, 2014 8:10 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^this, actually
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:12 (nine years ago) link
have they completely reclaimed it yet?
because i still see it used mockingly, a lot
― the late great, Monday, 6 October 2014 20:13 (nine years ago) link
i mean i dont think its possible to completely eradicate mockery through reclamation
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:18 (nine years ago) link
it was used sparingly back in 09/10 (earliest i saw it anyway) as a sincere self-descriptor
the "SJW" abbreviation was mocking from the beginning
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:30 (nine years ago) link
and tbh any reclamation is still 100% snark/sarcasm like the image above, anyone who uses it as a serious descriptor is #notyourshield
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:32 (nine years ago) link
roxy probably otm but it's a step in the right direction imo
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:32 (nine years ago) link
ultimately it'll be of limited value/relevance to detractors and nobody will rly use it any more
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
idk tho
redditors and 4channers and... breitbart.com?? now use the term as a serious non-outright-mocking classification and seem to be under the impression that people still sincerely self-identify as SJW so i'm not sure what good "reclamation" will do outside of it being funny
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 6 October 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link
tumblr shot first
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 6 October 2014 21:09 (nine years ago) link
social justice warriors come out to plaaaayaa
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Monday, 6 October 2014 22:34 (nine years ago) link
really?
http://www.vogue.com/2208057/leaving-new-york-city-country-life-woodstock/
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 October 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
DO TELL GOOD SIR
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 October 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link
feel like SJW was initially hardcore tumblr marxist above-it-all types making fun of sensitive would-be activists?? can't prove this but I feel like that was the sphere I first saw it in
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Monday, 6 October 2014 23:13 (nine years ago) link
have def heard anti-SJW rhetoric from hardline marxists who usually have a 'safe space anecdote' or two up their sleeve
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Monday, 6 October 2014 23:18 (nine years ago) link
At the risk of sounding appalingly pretentious...
all articles on the nyt quiddities thread should start like this from now on
― hug niceman (psychgawsple), Monday, 6 October 2014 23:24 (nine years ago) link
MODS
― 'cause i'm nakh nakh nakh nakh nakh nakh the burmakitty (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 00:02 (nine years ago) link
He risked it. It happened. He should have taken better precautions.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 00:36 (nine years ago) link
The awl published a v interesting piece on the history of problematic recently
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 01:04 (nine years ago) link
yeah SJW is used in a clannish, wagon-circling way by online neocons in relation to #gamergate to describe Those Awful People Who Criticized Our Games (i.e. the Zoe Quinn & Anita Sarkeesian stalking MRA troll-crew from 4chan and their stooges, enablers and exploiters)
it's weird to do a Twitter search for #gamergate because the gamer bros have created all these decoy/Catfish "female gamer" twitter identities who tow their party line and mouth the slogans, and there's all this high-minded/laughable invocation of how it's all about "standards in gaming journalism", but you can't really tell who's legit and who's a sockpuppet anymore
sad that for some people the idea of actually believing in furthering the cause of social justice is itself laughable (and all on behalf of the noble calling of shooting zombies in digital labyrinths / running over prostitutes in GTA5 etc.)
― the tune was space, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 01:13 (nine years ago) link
'social justice warrior' for real sounds like the best title ever
― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 01:44 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I understand it started as a derogatory term but they probably could have chosen a meaner sounding epithet?
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 01:46 (nine years ago) link
social justice dragon
― j., Tuesday, 7 October 2014 01:49 (nine years ago) link
social justice weiner
― Mordy, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 01:51 (nine years ago) link
if ever the day happens when I could have a business card that says
my namesocial justice warrior
I will think 'I have truly made it' I will cry some joyful tears
― King Clone (Crabbits), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 01:52 (nine years ago) link
but you can't really tell who's legit and who's a sockpuppet anymore
http://unrealitymag.bcmediagroup.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/they_live_3.jpg
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 11:24 (nine years ago) link
http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2014/10/grayson-perry-rise-and-fall-default-man
― If a job's worth doing it's worth doing, Horatio (ledge), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 10:43 (nine years ago) link
I like the cover.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bza2okyCEAA_FYc.jpg
― woof, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 11:02 (nine years ago) link
All the men I know are passing that link round going "wow, Grayson Perry is so amazing, this is mind-blowing stuff!"
And all the women I know are rolling their eyes and going "Grayson Perry repeats a bunch of stuff that feminists have been saying since the days of bell hooks, and now suddenly a successful white-male luvvy with a Turner Prize says it and they can hear it as if for the first time? Really?"
I mean, good on him for saying it in a ~tone~ you all can finally hear, but please, don't expect applause or feminist cookies.
― Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 11:08 (nine years ago) link
I did love that comment (I know, I know..) that had somebody claiming that "Default Man" was actually created (or perpetuated) by all those Trophy Wives....
― Mark G, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 11:25 (nine years ago) link
saw that article on twitter due to numerous women praising and RT'ing it
― nashwan, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 11:59 (nine years ago) link
Oh, I'm sure you have! But it's funny that way, when I see people say "I've seen tons of women / black people / queer ppl etc retweeting this piece" it says quite a lot about the friends that you have self selected.
I'm sure the article is fine, and "Important" and worthy and all that.
But it's just that same thing again. Like what happened on (whichever one of the 8 billion "music journalism sucks" threads we have going at any time) earlier, like where the {straight, white male with a job at a national newspaper} was complaining of thinkpiece fatigue of having to read so many pieces about Miley-Rhianna-Lilly-Lorde-Beyonce-Whatever. But then he goes, "oh, wait, no, there was a good piece I read on it..." and just funnily enough, he picks out to laud the one piece by DL, y'know, the {straight, white male with a job at that national newspaper} and praises it for, I dunno, it was one of those weaselly words like "reportage" or something which is basically a synonym for "Objective" like, yes, it's funny, that. You have to have the straight white man with the same Background as you explain the issues before it stops being ~just noise~ and useless and starts being "Proper Reporting" and "Objective" and all that.
Greyson Perry said a thing. I'm sure it's great.
― Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 12:10 (nine years ago) link
I can pretty easily mentally separate the friends I have on soc med who are likely to have already been having conversations about various things from the ones who will hear them from a mainstream outlet and repost them like the sun just came up. It's fine, it's what we want, right? For even suburban normals to care about equality issues? I'm usually just glad SOMETHING reaches the rah rah gun rights Middle America part of my fb feed when that happens.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 12:20 (nine years ago) link
The OH A MAN SAID SOMETHING ish is real though.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 12:22 (nine years ago) link
Branwell, have you heard this?
http://www.podcastone.com/pg/jsp/program/episode.jsp?programID=592&pid=448486
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 12:58 (nine years ago) link
the LOOK A MAN SAID IT was particularly noticeable with this piece - i think in a lot of cases (see also russell brand) it's often because the White Man in question may essentially be regurgitating what hundreds of women and non-white ppl have been saying for years, but he'll do it in this incredibly (self-)important tone - very self-conscious Good Writing, aiming for that #longread credibility etc. (bc he's had the luxury to sit on the issue, to mull it over, to present it in that detached tone rather than having to constantly react to bullshit? or bc that's the language of the writing establishment in which he's been trained?)
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 13:02 (nine years ago) link
i mean, the perry piece is very well-written and articulate and also manages to be incredibly long without alighting on a single thing i haven't read before
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 13:03 (nine years ago) link
Branwell, I know you've all but forbidden me to address you on ILX so it would be great if you didn't trash me and then we could both carry on our merry ways.
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 15:46 (nine years ago) link
I'll tell you what is sad and discouraging: that a "social justice warrior" is someone who objects to stereotyping in a first-world medium. It tells me that this is what the opposition pays attention to - not other, more urgent social justice issues like land use / rights, global health care issues, environmental justice, etc. Depressing.
One guy in my FB feed has lately taken to reporting stories - the common theme seems to be "stuff black people said and did." I only keep him around because 1) he's clearly suffering from dementia 2). it's so bad I can't look away.
― Opus Gai (I M Losted), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link
First, I have literally no idea who you are, dude. Second, if you think that "straight white men have this tendency to prefer and privilege the opinions of other straight white men as 'more objective'" is "trashing" someone, wow, you have lived a pretty sheltered life. Have a nice day, whoever you are.
― Welcome to reality. No spitting, please. (Branwell with an N), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link