the cult of dilla, c/d?

even i'm over it

J Dilla changed my life

I couldn't watch Wolverine State past that scene.

but the kids running around with J Dilla changed my life shirts are dud.

― autogoblin (surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally), Monday, March 16, 2009 9:06 PM (6 minutes ago)

Have never seen one of these, but would probably find it pretty lol if confronted with it in the real world.

― ian, Monday, March 16, 2009 5:14 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

met an australian guy in nepal wearing one of these shits - i couldnt resist asking him wtf he thought he was up to - got an earful abt this amzing artist

Changing lifes one aussie guy at a time.

guys you should all live in the burbs like me and you avoid all this crap

shit man, i live in brooklyn and have never seen one of those shirts!

(don't leave my house or shop at A1 much though.)

it's died down quite a bit but go to turntable lab or hang out in soho/east village and you'll still see a few Dilla Donuts shirts between a New Era and a pair of limited sneakers of some sort.

The only really great thing I know of to come out of the posthumous "cult of dilla" is the two mixes J Rocc made. Really good, search those.

They even put out an album he never finished and supposedly hated ( iirc it wasn't Stones Throw that put it out though)

only time I met a guy with one of those t-shirts he was Australian also

i have seen these shirts

go to la. hate your life

saddam was wearing one when he was executed actually

weirdest thing is how he was mainly known as Jay Dee and maybe occasionally as J Dilla but after his death the latter really caught on (maybe cause people got tired of the Jermaine Dupri confusion) and now you seem to hear just "Dilla" like people are so fanatical they can just skip straight to the most casual shorthand.

http://rlv.zcache.com/j_dilla_dilla_dawg_jay_dee_pay_jay_tshirt-p235402046239251671t5tr_400.jpg

you guys on this thread got good problems. all i can say.

lolz there are like four other people I think of when I hear the name "Jay D/J Dee" besides Dilla and Jermaine Dupri

weirdest thing is how he was mainly known as Jay Dee and maybe occasionally as J Dilla but after his death the latter really caught on (maybe cause people got tired of the Jermaine Dupri confusion) and now you seem to hear just "Dilla" like people are so fanatical they can just skip straight to the most casual shorthand.

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― some dad (some dude), Monday, March 16, 2009 2:59 PM Bookmark

"big" "pac"

you guys on this thread got good problems. all i can say.

― She Is Beyond Food In Weevil (Mackro Mackro), Monday, March 16, 2009 6:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

other peoples shirts

xxxxp I think the proliferation of "Dilla" came with all the hype around Donuts because it came out right when he dies and everyone jumped all over it because of that

OPS

YAH U KNOW ME

i like slum village btw

"apples" "oranges" rev

WWJD

this is a weird thread

says the guy whose screenname is the equivalent of a "dilla changed my life" shirt

"apples" "oranges" rev

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― some dad (some dude), Monday, March 16, 2009 3:06 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not really sure how so

I think there really is an instinct to speak of fallen heroes in the most familiar terms possible.

i think cuz pac & big, like oranges, are waaaay wayyyy better than jay dee, like apples.

u know???

rev, j dilla didn't die like a gangsta, so it's ok to be all 2006 is lame and shit

makes sense to me lol

i meant more comparing common nicknames of huge cultural icons to a guy who was barely known by any name for his best known work in his lifetime is shaky, but i guess i invited it with the part focusing on the 'casual shorthand' part (when the term i should've emphasized would be, say, 'posthumous re-branding').

cult of serge, c/d?

all these french kids. hate life.

btw i started this thread with great conflict in my heart because as patrin is right to note "dil cosby / dil withers suite" is not only the best beatkonducta work yet, it's also an amazing listen

i mean when he died i just barely knew of him for Slum Village and doing Jaylib and solo stuff, really had no idea he was responsible for all these Tribe/Badu/Janet/Common/De La/Q-Tip records I knew and liked/loved and mainly associated with 'The Ummah' or 'the Soulquarians' or whatever. so i'm not hating on the guy and i understand there was a brand/name recognition issue with his work while he was still living, it's just funny how he probably would have had no idea when he passed away that 2-3 years later people would be all Dilla this, Dilla that.

why people are on his dick for the shitty Tribe albums, Labcabincalifornia, and the post-Paul De La albums is beyond me. Common? ugh fuck that guy

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Jay Dee a.k.a. Dilla a.k.a. James Yancey - c/d

Dilla tracks vs dilla tribute tracks

i wasn't on his dick for that stuff, i'm just saying that's the stuff i know and like (and sometimes love), don't really know the underground/instrumental shit that's inspired the cult.

anyone heard the orchestra tribute to dilla album?

dillbussy

I can't tell if that's a custos or real.

no there's really an album out, they performed it in la a half a month ago
dunno what its called

i mean when he died i just barely knew of him for (Loose Joints) and doing (Dinosaur L) and solo stuff, really had no idea he was responsible for all these (Flying Hearts)/(Necessaries) records I knew and liked/loved (..) or whatever. so i'm not hating on the guy and i understand there was a brand/name recognition issue with his work while he was still living, it's just funny how he probably would have had no idea when he passed away that 5-10 years later people would be all (Arthur Russell) this, (Arthur Russell) that.

i mean when he died i just barely knew of him for (Bryter Later) and doing (Pink Moon) and (other) stuff, (..) or whatever. so i'm not hating on the guy and i understand there was a brand/name recognition issue with his work while he was still living, it's just funny how he probably would have had no idea when he passed away that 20-30 years later people would be all (Nick Drake) this, (Nick Drake) that.

I've yet to see a Nick Drake changed my life shirt.

n drilla

sorry

why people are on his dick for the shitty Tribe albums, Labcabincalifornia, and the post-Paul De La albums is beyond me. Common? ugh fuck that guy

― One of the Most High Profile Comedy Directors of the 90s (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, March 16, 2009 6:30 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haa yes like it emerged directly from my heart piece rip dilla

shakey congrats on not liking stuff

Alex, the cult lives WITHIN THE SELF

he gave mos def an 8.0

im trying to start my own cult of quik

"The only ones that are hanging in there, even prospering, belong to a particular type: boutiques that offer a tidied-up version of the crate-digging experience, without the dust and the graft, the knees-bent flicking through musty cardboard boxes in roach-infested basements."

these people must not go to Pittsburgh.

Jay Stay Paid is awesome and totally worthy of an 8.0

Mos Def not so much.

For me, I don't care for the majority of his own work, but I like most of the stuff he influenced.

― Jordi La Sarge (The Reverend), Monday, March 16, 2009 4:55 PM (11 months ago) Bookmark

as someone who's been pretty unimpressed with underground rap for most of the past decade, i'm starting to feel that a serious potential source of light on the horizon lies in the dilla aping realm. it goes deeper than flying lotus or black milk, and i'm not even talking shameless dilla jacking per se, but just that sense of making weird beats with loads of atmosphere and an offbeat lurch, and that sense of experimentation away from cleaner sounding drums or samples.

anyways, i'm anticipating a lot of people not liking this but it's a trend i'm v interested in at the moment but know way too little about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFRsJOWRSYE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_N63b2Tk-A&feature=related
(this one's actually a flying lotus production)

start here
itt: kinda out there, maybe kinda experimental, maybe kinda pretentious modern r&b

actually, start here, and then go here
The Sa Ra Creative Partners Thread, finally...

*there*

Cult is dud, Jay D is pretty classic (though a bit of a mixed bag). This is one of those things that I'm grateful that my brother was super into backpack shit in SE Michigan, so he knew Jay D (mostly through the Subterraneous crew and Slum Village folks), and I got to meet him a couple of times. He was a pretty chill guy, but "Dilla Changed My Life"? Not so much.

ya i've read and loved the pretentious rn'b thread, but i think this is something at least slightly different; i'm really thinking hip hop and slow head-nod instrumental hip hop. i read a rap review a while ago where the writer said something to the extent of "the production is refreshing in an era where every undie rap producer just recycles old dilla beats" and i thought 'hey i wouldn't mind it if everyone sounded like that.' thing is i just haven't heard enough it, and so far am not convinced that so much of it exists.

ok yes sa-ra is exactly what i was talking about, thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZZZ_SG-boE

that was pretty great

Dilla's Donuts began simply enough, in summer 2005, as an idea to turn a particularly good demo beat tape into a full-length release. We think we can safely say it has since became a classic hip-hop album, one of the defining works of the artist's life. This box set includes the album on seven 45s and a bonus 45 with "Signs" from the long out-of-print Donuts 'Fan Club 45' b/w DOOM & Ghostface's "Sniper Elite & Murder Goons" - two tracks over Donuts beats which were recorded in late 2005 prior to the original release of the album. These two tracks were released digitally in 2008, but have never before appeared on vinyl. Side D contains the "Donuts Outro/Intro" appearing as an interlude at the beginning of "The Diff'rence" which dates back to the first, original sequence of the album.

groan

I love Donuts, classic chillwave

classic

This box set includes the album on seven 45s

why do they do this? who buys these?

soulstrut is tumbleweeds right now b/c the entire board is running to the record store

i dont know but apparently already sold out pretty much everywhere already, though i suppose at $40 it works out to only $5/disc so i guess not total robbery

I was just going to do a donuts poll yesterday

the cult is 'annoying' but more annoying is being broke, having ants in my kitchen & not getting a call back from a chick i like

sometimes ppl around here are way too subculturally butthurt
wahhh nerds are corny

― ridin down the yellow brick road in the yellow 6-4 (deej), Monday, March 16, 2009 5:17 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all of those problems have been solved but the dilla cult still exists

mea culpa

this really is an amazing time capsule thread, can't believe velko posted in it

tbh madlib changed my life

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 @jrocc that beat isn't from a 1 thru 5 batch, it's from "another batch" 1998.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats @jrocc I don't really give a shit to honest.

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 @jrocc to each his own.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats No it's not to each his own. That's the problem. There are facts to this and dudes be freestyling like they know what it is.

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 i know, that's my point. I'm a stickler for facts and details.

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
@kylebeats What facts? Did you get a beat tape from Dilla?

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 are you confusing me with someone you don't know?

kwh. ‏@kylebeats
@Jeedo47 and why attack me for correcting an obvious mistake? who doesn't know that's 98?

Waajeed AKA Jeedo ‏@Jeedo47
More and more annoyed by you so called "Dilla Heads" You really don't have a fuckin clue which I did B47 Breaks in the 1st place.

ha awesome

wow this thread all over the place

anyways would have been 45 today rip beat maker

this was very touching

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CZebNF9hQvt/?utm_medium=copy_link

There's a new book too:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/01/arts/music/j-dilla-time-book.html

Charnas also clarifies the story around “Donuts,” an instrumental album that Stones Throw Records released right before Dilla’s death that has become a key entry point for new generations of fans. It’s been said that Dilla recorded “Donuts” in the hospital, embedding messages for loved ones in his compositions as the end approached. In reality, “Donuts” was born from one of the many beat tapes he had made. It was largely edited and extended by Jeff Jank, who worked at Stones Throw, and completed months before Dilla died.

Just picked up the book yesterday, though I haven't started it. Looks fantastic and there seem to be a lot of beat diagrams sprinkled throughout. Can't wait to dig in, though I've already got two fellow ilxors books on the "next to read" pile first.

Charnas' book was really good, I appreciated the mix of biography and deeper dive into how he put the beats together.

Listening to the Welcome 2 Detroit Instrumentals this morning and it sounds really good.

Just starting Dilla Time now, hells of excited to immerse myself in it.

Yeah, some of the music theory stuff can be a little "extra" but Charnas is a gripping and thorough storyteller. Book is great.

I'd like to read it, but I feel like if I ever hear read anyone going on about Dilla's unquantized drum programming feel, it will be too soon.

I think even Questlove, who was of course a primary evangelist, said recently that the way Dilla constructed musical parts out of micro-sampling (single notes, tiny sounds) has been overlooked compared to the drums stuff.

im trying to start my own cult of quik

― zzz (deej), Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:29 PM (thirteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

this worked kinda

I need to read the charnas book