architectonic integrity is as valid a principle whatever the duration
single ideas can approach the asymptote of formal perfection in a way complexity queens and seriousness mavens with their love of the distended, the baroque and the top-heavy seldom do
one of my favourite pieces by franz liszt is an album leaf that is about 50 seconds long
pink flag is a hundred times more valuable than anything in 'progressive rock'
&c
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:10 (nine years ago) link
I don't know how many people actually listened to quaristice era eps (I myself only got to them a couple of years after they were released), but I think they are actually better than the album. The reworked versions of the quaristice tracks give them a lot more depth and intensity.
― Larminard Darzingargle (silverfish), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:33 (36 minutes ago)
there was probably some sort of via media to be found between the fragments of quaristice and the freeform nature of the eps
autechre post 2008 seem to be less about formally integrated releases than file dumps of material that you can sift through
the highpoints are still very high though and thats what matters most
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:14 (nine years ago) link
LJ bait
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:19 (nine years ago) link
of course it's easier to be formally perfect in a smaller space. less room = less room for error.
even if i find, say altichyre to be the most emotionally moving harmonic progression in their catalogue, given the choice i'd still pick a piece that had more ideas. but this is only a matter of opinion, no more or less than pink flag v prog rock.
― If a job's worth doing it's worth doing, Horatio (ledge), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:20 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I can imagine a future collection being released on USB stick - possibly with updates sent via the web, like a piece of software.
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:21 (nine years ago) link
― If a job's worth doing it's worth doing, Horatio (ledge), Thursday, 2 October 2014 15:20
very slow golf clap for u
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:22 (nine years ago) link
this is only a matter of opinion, no more or less than pink flag v prog rock.
― If a job's worth doing it's worth doing, Horatio (ledge), Thursday, 2 October 2014 15:20 (1 minute ago)
*searches for xanax on deep web*
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:24 (nine years ago) link
frog, here is the most recent full list: ILM Ballot Polls for 2014 and beyond -- order, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc
― it's taco science, but it works like taco magic (WilliamC), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:28 (nine years ago) link
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
nah I p much agree
wire are one of the greatest bands in the history of music
pink flag isn't my preference but if nakh had said 'send' i'd possibly agree w/o qualification (aside from claiming that vdgg weren't rly prog qua prog, haha)
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link
theres an inverse relation between concision and the sort of dialectical.....complexity....that extended durations can achieve, there is no 90 second grosse fuge, but the notion that 'slightness' is inimical to or incompatible with greatness is fatuous
'it's easier to be formally perfect in a smaller space' is exactly an argument for the virtues of concision rather than an expression of its limitations
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link
same reason i had gantz graf #1 over any of their albums
Gantz Graf is overrated.
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:44 (nine years ago) link
It's true that with a band like Boards of Canada, the shorter tracks are as important as the longer tracks, but I don't think this is necessarily true in Ae's case.
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:45 (nine years ago) link
outside of Quaristice and "Rettic AC", what shorter tracks
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:47 (nine years ago) link
The best thing on GG is itself pretty maximal, tbf ;) & one of the reasons for its greatness is that every idea it has is straight fucking inspired. the rest is clinical execution, synthesis, hyperliteracy
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:48 (nine years ago) link
xp ^^ - they're not known for them, so using up a precious vote on an ornamental piece of fluff, no matter how lovely, might seem like a waste. I entirely understand the logic.
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link
GG itself packs an incredible number of ideas into 4 minutes. Length-based arguments of concision fail. It's about synthesis of ideas
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link
You do know they made it by attaching a contact mic to a mortar and pestle and just spent 4+ mins grinding up mustard seeds, don't you?
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
pls. trenchancy and autechre separate
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
dog latin you have never entirely understood anything and this is why i like you
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 14:55 (nine years ago) link
Gantz Graf works brilliantly as a piece of audiovisual art and I find listening to it without the video a bit like steak without chips.
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Thursday, 2 October 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
^^ Agree strongly with this. Never quite enjoy it when it's just the audio. CapIV on the other hand ...
― Steve Reich In The Afternoon (Against The 80s), Thursday, 2 October 2014 15:48 (nine years ago) link
Spotify playlist for those who use it:
http://open.spotify.com/user/gcwright/playlist/1Pk2WQhUw0flBVYpNXRXhi
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 2 October 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link
i'm not sure it's fair to say later autechre is more complex than earlier autechre
isn't a lot of the "complexity" of later autechre just semi-automated dsp doing its own thing?
― the late great, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:25 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/BpfrcVj.jpg
18. Acroyear2 - 123 points | 6 votes
― cichleee suite (Leee), Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link
afaik only confield made use of their generative patches in max/msp, still, they're the ones that built the patches, and were directing their behaviour with parameters.i don't see why that means complexity needs scare quotes, both the process and the results are more complex than the earlier work
― cheeseburger, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link
i see quotes but not care quotes. regardless, complexity is something i rarely seek out in music although i'm reasonably open to it.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link
scare
"complexity" in "scare quotes" because i don't believe in a hierarchy of musical complexity
― the late great, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:05 (nine years ago) link
nobody here is arguing that more complex music is better, chill out
― ugh (lukas), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link
i think some people are!
― the late great, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:09 (nine years ago) link
in it for the narrative and the synthesis. something complex and well-realised will always impress me. something simple and well-realised will do likewise. something that is both simple and complex and also well-realised maybe best of all ;)
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link
Acroyear2 and 777 are the tracks I tend to skip on LP5
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:13 (nine years ago) link
Lol at "care" quotes
― Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:14 (nine years ago) link
the caveat is that sophistication, synthesis and the multivalent narrative imo suits this band
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:14 (nine years ago) link
Elastica > Wire.
― cichleee suite (Leee), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link
next song pls
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
Only once you admit to Justine Frischmann's indispensable position in rock history.
― cichleee suite (Leee), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:21 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/woYGdAb.jpg
17. Maphive 6.1 - 129 points | 6 votes
woot
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:21 (nine years ago) link
track has serious """"vibes""""" if u will
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:22 (nine years ago) link
think i voted for acroyearcould really have voted for any of lp5maphive is sick
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link
quite a high ranking vote from me.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link
i love acroyear. had it top 5 i think.
― cajunsunday, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:26 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/or85ahQ.jpg
16. Fold4, Wrap5 - 139 points | 5 votes
― cichleee suite (Leee), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link
i thought it would be top 5.
― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link
Find myself whistling the needling melody of acroyear2 quite often.
― If a job's worth doing it's worth doing, Horatio (ledge), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:00 (nine years ago) link
Would gamble on rae and arch carrier making the top ten.
― If a job's worth doing it's worth doing, Horatio (ledge), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:01 (nine years ago) link
yeah i could have voted for fold4, the elastic tempo, the chiming synths, the pointillist percussion which identifies all of the lp5 tracks
― C21H23NO5 (nakhchivan), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link
always thought the bpm version of shepard tone thing in fold4,wrap5 is too much of a conceit/"trick".
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:03 (nine years ago) link