bloggers write books now
― ≖_≖ (Lamp), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 23:27 (nine years ago) link
i didn't know what alt-lit was until today. what a way to find out!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 23:28 (nine years ago) link
go on
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 23:32 (nine years ago) link
trigger warning: http://gawker.com/hip-alt-lit-editor-quits-public-writing-career-after-ra-1640785729
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link
sincerely hope you're not invested in defending that guy
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 23:39 (nine years ago) link
fp
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link
wow that gawker piece really bummed me out
― ≖_≖ (Lamp), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
his explanation for his behavior? the patriarchy.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
there is a rather amazing incident at the bottom of the comments
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 23:48 (nine years ago) link
what a piece of shit.
― i'd rather be arrested by you folks, than by anybody i know (art), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 00:28 (nine years ago) link
this one too? http://jezebel.com/alt-lit-icon-tao-lin-accused-of-horrific-rape-and-abuse-1641641060
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
never going to get famous or do sex ever again
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
what do you mean by that
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:35 (nine years ago) link
its just my plan for the future
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
why post it in response to that
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link
idk why dont u unpack it for me
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link
jho under incredible pressure rn, whats he got
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:41 (nine years ago) link
i'll help: he doesn't want 2 exploit anyone, unleash the monster that is him on ppl
u owe me 1 now m8
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link
i'm sincerely asking before assuming you're calling her a false accuser? i can't figure any other reason
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link
well ur not very imaginative, tho i suspect that you would enjoy assuming that
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
imo it is possible 2 have sex &or be famous w/o committing criminal offences, hard tho i appresh
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:48 (nine years ago) link
i dont understand how people with any public profile at all survive knowing the internet could start saying mean things about them at any time, let alone accuse them of serious crimes, especially people who have committed serious crimes, i wld just die from preemptive mortification and guilt
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:51 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:47 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
why would i enjoy that?
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:51 (nine years ago) link
a cool thing about being a sociopath is you generally don't feel any remorse or shame for the horrible things you do, b/c other people aren't important and getting what you want is all that's important xp
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:52 (nine years ago) link
just getting that vibe u seem coiled ready to pounce xp
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:52 (nine years ago) link
so why won't you do sex ever again
― please delete outrageous tanuki crappyposter (wins), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link
so ppl like T4o L1n or other ppl who entrap vulnerable teenagers in abusive situations probably don't live in fear of exposure b/c they don't believe they've done anything wrong whatsoever, at all
― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link
yeah they say most rapists are both repeat offenders and dont understand that theyve raped anyone
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:54 (nine years ago) link
which simultaneously makes perfect sense and is unfathomable
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link
fuck tao lin forever. i guess "richard yates" was more real than i thought/hoped it was.
― Treeship, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link
― lag∞n, Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:52 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i don't like doing this and nowadays i usually just fuck off when people in a thread piss me off but i'd like to know if a poster i like is being an asshole
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link
^
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link
tao lin was so unafraid of exposure that he wrote an autobiographical novel about doing this
― 1staethyr, Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:57 (nine years ago) link
zachlyon ready to pounce on another poster for saying something he doesn't like?? hard to believe
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:01 (nine years ago) link
http://www.pacific.edu/Images/library/news/POUNCE_logo.png
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Thursday, October 2, 2014 2:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fine i will unpack 4 u the intention was to self deprecatingly display my own real self involved reaction which was omg what if someone accused me of rape (or some other awful thing, or anything really) on the internet, it was not intended as a judgment on this particular case
it can also be seen as a reaction to the immediate casual impersonal moral grandstanding thats so typifies todays ephemeral internet culture like "wow tao lin is a literal piece of human garbage" *forgets about it two seconds later* instead of that fake fortified self i offered a real imperfect human reaction
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link
this lyon's got claws
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:07 (nine years ago) link
the perhaps semiconscious notion that ones sins are excused by their accounting - not even - their contribution to ones ~lived experience~ - it is all stuff, narrative, action - is maybe increasingly prevalent and i am not sure that some visible cultural reminders - shall we say 'strong suggestions' of universal morality would go amiss, dangerous as this might seem. the trick is not to be all fundie xtian abt it or w/e. the construction of a cultural morality that is permissive of all bar exploitation and abuse is the project of our time
so yeah, down w/ momentary bandwagon morality sure, but up w/ reconstructing these abysmal & plu-nietzschean trends in self-ideation
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link
tbh not sure they were thinking about getting "caught" or worried about it, I feel like there are certain types of people who feel like by nature of their lifestyle and scene and "interests" and self perception of intellect that they've transcended certain types of crime and exist where such things are nbd, it just happens, everything's cool, it's all pleasure.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link
cf lost prophets dude maybe for most striking example of this insane phenomenon ^
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link
i do think there are kinds of learned or inculcated sociopathy, yeah
― goole, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link
how do u define exploitation or abuse w/o abandoning universality & reaching for the vulnerable subjective? by not being fucking stupid abt it obv, many subjectives make light work
yh omar u just rptd me ;)
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
which is sort of a banal thing to say, i guess. "people can give themselves justification to do heinous shit if they are getting away with it"
xp
― goole, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
it's like terry richardson or American apparel dude or w/e, all the stories sound the same. These guys who are actually used to just casually doing shit bc they're in this bubble of a scene where they have power and operate via some combo of respect and fear.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
i think what interests me most about these two cases is that these aren't ignorant redneck high school football players who never learned that rape was wrong. these are members of the alt-lit community who are heavily educated in contemporary social justice themes + ideas. the first dude actually name-drops the patriarchy in his apology. it makes me feel like the problem isn't the lack of education, but the lack of ethics/morality/empathy/humanity.
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
Translating it for the colonists here, LJ ;)
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link
mordy is on my buzz ~cool~ altho education is croosh, just maybe diff realms of it, or it applied difftly
omar u being tart w me omd
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link
― Mordy, Thursday, October 2, 2014 3:14 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah feel like w so much of these heavily conceptualized understandings that come out of our higher education systems that there really needs to be something deeper to animate it, there needs to be some heart and honesty not just like analysis of the levels, ultimately justice is not enough
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
maybe religion will save us (not unserious, 'religion' needs unpacking. panentheistic revolution bros n sisses)
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link
They're also steeped in the literary tradition of damaged antiheros doing terrible things and writing thinly-veiled books about it and getting praise for their honesty.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link