Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

*thread question was "accepted" not "acceptable"

also the original question wasn't a yes/no question

*thread question was "accepted" not "acceptable"

― anonanon, Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:38 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also the original question wasn't a yes/no question

― stacked as fuck & imposing (DJP), Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:41 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I know but in light of the gamergate dustup the thread title was feeling increasingly fatalistic

there's a lot of people in video games who have audiences who have taken this opportunity to be crystal clear with those audiences how unequivocally not OK harassment and bigotry is and even if it's a drop in the bucket in our shitty world I don't want to cede the whole territory to the shitlords

misread that as "gamergate dubstep" and was irrationally happy for a second

instead of struggling with that "they're not alllllll bad" line i prefer the "gamer as an identity is dead" line that's popped up out of all this. i can't take "the gaming community" seriously enough as a concept anymore to care about the microcosms within it, i'd rather just separate "self-proclaimed gamers who won't shut up" into their own microcosm within the general population

nb i haven't read any of this thread or any of those articles i'm just bored

How do they manage to keep a fake scandal going when for weeks there's been nothing new to say about it?

I actually know this - Milo Yiannopoulos, who wrote one of the Breitbart pieces upthread, rang iFred, the charity that Zoe Quinn mentioned on her site, saying "Can you confirm how much money you're getting from Depression Quest?" and the charity said "We have no record of that" and then he was carried around shoulder high because Journalism.

And then Zoe Quinn said "Yes, I paid that money to iFred personally and will talk to them" and iFred said "Yes, she's talked to us and our records confirm that", and then the GamerGaters largely peeled off leaving only a layer asking for payment details and dates and asking to speak to the legal department, while iFred very politely says "We have only one full time paid member of staff and we're trying to actually do policy work on depression, Please Fuck Off"

lol/sigh

the other day i saw a very convincing long-form multi-step jpg diagram of how anita sarkeesian was never harassed out of her home and that milo dude's reportage was strongly relied upon.

We need to find some way to etch those jpgs on to plexiglass, or future generations will never understand what this is about.

You could seriously get a poll's worth of options of, what is the dumbest recurrent line used by shithead gamers with regard to Gamergate, I am leaning towards "...and she has never addressed the VERY SERIOUS objections made to the ACCURACY of her BULLSHIT VIDEOS which spew LIES" although the old goldie where letting it be known that you're being criminally harassed is a classic PLOY to get ATTENTION for your AGENDA. Sigh. I mustn't read the comments, I mustn't read the comments...

here we go guys

https://twitter.com/Nero/status/512292578042347520
https://twitter.com/Nero/status/512331257238519810

I'm not going to click on beetbort, what does the article say?

not posted yet i don't think

it's up - tried to read it, laughed, closed window.

For his professional work he's @Nero but when he wants to get personal he uses @Caligula.

Makes perfect sense.

it is? are you going off that pinned tweet from a few days ago?

first line: "The video game community is perhaps the most inclusive, gender neutral and colourblind on the internet."

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/e9/e9a2295b3db9b45c8f5484a09033c1c71cf88e3375bb7ff60456bc81c29a4e04.jpg

i think this is it:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite

Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero · 2m
So you know that thing JournoList where journos were colluding behind the scenes? Nothing like that would happen in games right? #GamerGate

Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero · 45s
EXPOSED: The secret mailing list of the gaming journalism elite http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite … #GamerGate

Haha come on

kinda reminds me of that whole thing w/ left wing american pundits? i kinda don't remember who was involved now. weigel maybe? i think it was called Journolist?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or high

This is literally "Games Journalist aren't eremites"

if i'm being sarcastic about this listserv reminding me of another listserv? idk, what's the sarcasm?

andrew farrell's post two before yours

oh lol i missed his post

only way this really measures up is if they find out that eurogamer's "gamer community correspondent" who was supposedly sympathetic to the 'gamers' was participating on this list

Brietbart and Gamergaters is such a natural alliance, excited for Jim Hoft's future involvement

so the angle is that anyone who was not actively defaming zoe quinn was "supporting" her, awesome

I really don't think "like-minded journalists have a mailing list" is scandal-worthy

This is rather blatantly "our side got caught out in IRC chats so let's rail on something innocuous and make soft-thinking people believe they're the same thing #gamergate #btwiamafuckstick"

Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero · 6m
Incontrovertible proof of behind-the-scenes collusion, co-ordination and collaboration, for political ends, by game journalists. #GamerGate

Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero · 3m
If you have more information about GameJournoPros, contact me. m✧✧✧@yiannopou✧✧✧.n✧✧ #GamerGate

Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero · 3m
Supposed journalistic "competitors" are colluding behind the scenes to influence the news agenda. Readers are in the dark. #GamerGate

Milo Yiannopoulos @Nero · 48s
Here's what happened the last time high-level journalists secretly colluded with one another http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList #GamerGate

all of the quotes he pulled sound totally reasonable and humane and his language is totally stretched out and panicky

it's as if dude has never heard of trade associations or anything of the sort

Apart from anything else, this will inflate the egos of the GGs who can be convinced that this thing they're involved in is actually something important, like the talk that's been going around of calling in the FBI to investigate Anita Sarkeesian under RICO, because they heard of RICO once.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me31aq3Mjr1qacv60o1_1280.jpg

I accidentally clicked into this thread and have no idea wtf is going on, I think it's best for my sanity to keep it that way.

off-topic kinda, but this story is pretty great and tangentially relates to abuse of RICO charges

did any post the video where the #gamergate dude lost his shit at weird twitter ppl?

(lol, also kinda related for a reason i didn't notice until this second - weigel wrote it) xp

I hope GamerGate lasts forever. I hope there's some unrecognizable descendant of it still trending a year from now.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if this is going to end up with this bullshit crossing over into the other bullshit that is politics - I can kind of imagine Rick Perry going for this (I can definitely imagine Herman Cain going for it).

I recently discovered that music journalists have been colluding on a message board

yeah i wonder if the real effect of this won't be conservative media outlets setting up game zones

oh shiiiiiiit xp

daer god i think i'm gonna tweet that lil insight of mine. wish me luck!

as always it's interesting to see how these things branch out into other lines of discourse

looks like one of my "fave" weirdo RWers picked it up

https://twitter.com/johndurant/status/512356851363491840

http://i.imgur.com/b8qIsrQ.png

so exciting to see the boy nero back in the game. his own journalistic ethics didn't extend to paying people who wrote for his shitty online mag last year http://maxdunbar.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/milo-yiannopoulous-and-the-kernel/

hilarious the disparity betweem the degree to which the 4channers were actually and specifically and consciously and maliciously conspiring to defame zoe quinn et al and ruin their careers and break the law in doing so, and the piddling degree to which the games journalists were conspiring to do, well, anything really. i mean, i know this is obvious. there seems a much clearer comparison between the #gamergaters and that terrible breitbart spawn who took down Acorn and did all that crepey stuff with that girl, than games journalists and journolist. but there's little value in pointing that out when wingers see nothing wrong in what the bleepblorper got up to.