jason shiga's "demon" rules and he was genuinely stoked to meet someone excited about his lil book
as opposed to i suppose big shot box brown whose work i adore but who was pretty workmanlike in his signing and moving on
also got a nice yumi sakugawa print in the lower left there, she was was p cool and like nice and pleased to meet a fan
"queen kirby's drag race" in mid-right is a pretty lol lil zine of kirby characters drawn in drag and renamed as, for ex, "miss thing." full support behind this.
also got a THE HUMANS patch for forthcoming Ape Motorcycle Gang book from image about which i am stoked
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:20 (nine years ago) link
abbs was not there tbh it was rubyredd & husband who in tandem are 'chance press' which published abbs drawings & the fantastic z_s book
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link
Ooo that Andre the giant looks good
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:39 (nine years ago) link
yah its extremely good and our friend underrated aerosmith albums has a blurb on the back cover
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:50 (nine years ago) link
...see by saying that, doesn't it sort of defeat the point of changing user... ah whatever
― Nhex, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
lol
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:56 (nine years ago) link
fair, sorry mick
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 16:59 (nine years ago) link
shiga is awesome
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
that's so cool that abbs thing was on sale there! Seems like it was a really good show this year.
― Rand McNulty (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
http://www.tcj.com/fantagraphics-goes-underground/
I'm quite interested in this line. Second book looks interesting. The other book is a controversial choice because that artist received quite a backlash for his work(detailed in the article). And you can see some are unhappy with the choice to publish him.
Really hope some good books come out of this. Just hope I won't have trouble getting a hold of anything that looks good.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 22:08 (nine years ago) link
Also, I really don't get why people took such offense at Fantagraphics using Kickstarter. My understanding is that they were in trouble, and if that's what they needed to do to survive then fine. I'd be sad to see them go, they're the best American comics publisher of the last 20 years.
But I've always wondered why they never published more current artists who straddle mainstream and alternative fanbases. My assumption is that they can't afford those artists.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 23:32 (nine years ago) link
fukitor looks like a blast
― Mordy, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 23:37 (nine years ago) link
Karns is awesome! This is good news
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 01:57 (nine years ago) link
'the 42nd parallel' which is really good
― Lamp, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 02:46 (nine years ago) link
I could swear somebody pointed me in the direction of The Undertaking of Lily Chen here, not bad.
― Nhex, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 02:58 (nine years ago) link
anybody reading 'pretty deadly'? i hear good things
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 04:32 (nine years ago) link
i bought a bunch of fukitors from the artist; they're fun and stupid and well drawn.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 05:52 (nine years ago) link
why they never published more current artists who straddle mainstream and alternative fanbases.
such as?
― dave matthews' gland (sic), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 06:55 (nine years ago) link
Richard Corben springs to mind first. I heard Fantagraphics offered to reprint all his underground era work but he said he already had plans for it (presumably Dark Horse or his own Fantagor).
They did publish some Barry Windsor Smith, Tom Sutton, Steve Ditko and Frank Thorne books.
I think they wanted to give Gil Kane something when he was alive but he couldn't find a passion project and it was unlikely they could compete with Marvel and DCs pay.
Guys like Mike Kaluta, Mike Ploog, Bernie Wrightson and Alex Nino are probably doing fine on a mixture of illustration, concept art, commissions and a few comics here and there. I doubt that most of them have a burning desire to tell their own stories but just enjoy drawing. In a fantasy world I'd love to see what they'd do if they were paid a comfortable salary to just draw whatever they like, even if it was splash page books (which is what an increasing amount of small press artists are doing). But I'm sure Kaluta does take Starstruck seriously.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 08:22 (nine years ago) link
The new Barry Windsor Smith and Ditko (one issue of Strange Avenging Tales) books were very brief but Sutton (going under the Dementia name) and Thorne were getting a few years work from Fantagraphics.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 08:28 (nine years ago) link
The Witzend collection that they published recently obv collects work by Wood, Ditko etc, but ppl like Wrightson and Nino are a more comfortable fit for Dark Horse imho (especially as DH have the reprint rights to the Warren stuff.)
At one point, back in the 80s, Fantagraphics were gonna publish a Shadow graphic novel written by Harlan Ellison and drawn by Kaluta but obv nothing came of it.
Must admit, when I saw the URL for that 'goes underground' story, I was hoping it meant that Fanta were finally going to start reprinting classic Underground comix - prob the American comics form most in need of proper archival presentation (beyond their prohibitively expensive complete Zap box, that is)
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 08:32 (nine years ago) link
Well, Nino did Dead Ahead for Image maybe 4 years ago and most of his recent comics work has been for the tiny publisher Bliss On Tap scattered over a period of years(and his recent Molly Doves comic looked really really rushed out) and Wrightson has mostly been drawing for IDW.
Fantagraphics have done a fair number of Underground collections, but mostly single creator collections. Crumb, S Clay Wilson, Spain Rodriguez, Greg Irons, Rory Hayes, Rand Holmes and probably a lot more. Complete collections of an anthology is tricky because it's all creator owned and you have many more people to consult for clearance. I vastly prefer single creator collections.
I should have mentioned the Fantagraphics Monster Comics imprint which was made around the time of Eros imprint when they were really trying to make money. There was an acclaimed Caligari comic by Mike Hoffman but looking back at most of the line, it's amazing how much of it looks like the sort of crap that the company hated. I'm assuming they couldn't get many good creators and were discouraged from doing things like this again.
It also seems like translating niche manga or European comics is very difficult because the owners often want a deal that isn't viable for an alternative publisher. I'm sure there's probably a good reason why more Alberto Breccia hasn't been done (they tried Perramus but it bombed after a few issues) because he is a revered, important artist. I've always wanted to know why certain comics never got translated when there is a lot of fans praying for it. I should get back to writing my wishlist because there are so many and I have a hard time believing all of them aren't viable. I'd like to see Image comics get in on translated books.
I think there was an interview a couple of years ago where Hernandez brothers say they just barely make a living from comics and I think the commenters were a bit chilled by this because Gilbert and Jaime have about 30 years of backlog which has been reprinted a few times in different forms (along with a bit of work from Dark Horse and DC). There was also a Village Voice article once talking about how only a tiny group of alternative creators could make a living at what they do.
It never ceases to amaze me how difficult it is for most good comics to sell to a semi-reliable audience. It's all the more frustrating because despite all the effort it may take they are extremely easy to make when you compare it to films, videogames and music.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 10:05 (nine years ago) link
Nino is a bit too noodly-prog at the expense of clarity, for my tastes - I'm more of an Enric Sio stan:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RQVV4RuuYVg/UJFniqe57fI/AAAAAAAAMjs/6FwD8y20PPM/s1600/enric_sio.jpg
Congrats to Alison Bechdel, btw:
http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/sep/17/alison-bechdel-wins-macarthur-foundation-grant
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:26 (nine years ago) link
Nino is indeed not good at clarity (which he admits) but his best art makes that tolerable. I think he and a few of the artists I mentioned just above aren't comic artists at heart but just really love drawing certain things, and comics were the most available vehicle for them when they were growing up.
Is that Sio page from "My Fears"? Is that something you own?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
No, that's a page from the UK Dracula magazine, which printed work by ppl like Sio and Esteban Maroto in the early 1970s
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
I got some of the original Spanish language Dracula magazines but they were all Maroto and very thin. Ramon Torrents is my favourite of that crew.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
Or Luis Garcia Mozos, probably the best hyper-realist I've ever seen in comics.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 18:38 (nine years ago) link
is bechdel the first comic artist to get a macarthur grant?
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 September 2014 04:57 (nine years ago) link
Katchor got one.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 18 September 2014 05:30 (nine years ago) link
wow, that would explain the series he's running at the new schoolnice guy
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 September 2014 05:33 (nine years ago) link
I think he won in 2000?
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 18 September 2014 05:59 (nine years ago) link
In that way that you always expect to happen, but never actually does, I popped into my local charity shop this afternoon and found a complete set of Flex Mentallo and 1963 in floppies. Two quid each. Not bad!
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 22 September 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link
Nicely done. I've clung tenaciously to my copies of 1963, but Flex unfortunately happened during the six months of poverty which marked one of the only times since the early '90s that I wasn't buying all of Morrison's output. I hoped the back issue prices would start coming down now that it's been collected (not crazy about the reprint coloring) but that doesn't seem to be happening, puzzlingly enough.
― 10,000 Jolts Of Electicity (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 September 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link
I lol'd at this blurb on the new Julia Wertz collection:
As far as I’m concerned, Julia Wertz has accomplished the impossible—straight out of the gate, she joined a small handful of cartoonists whose work I must own in its entirety and for which I’m willing to pay FULL RETAIL. *Joe Matt
*he did not, I gave him a free book
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 September 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
wasn't flex mentallo stupidly rare and expensive for a while?
is 1963 the same way? (aka is my spare set worth $$$?)
― koogs, Monday, 22 September 2014 17:20 (nine years ago) link
http://www.comicpriceguide.co.uk/us_comic.php?tc=flemen
um, £52 for the set depending on condition.
― koogs, Monday, 22 September 2014 17:30 (nine years ago) link
hadn't occurred to me that 1963 would be worth money - I have all those
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 September 2014 17:52 (nine years ago) link
not that I would sell them
iirc 1963 was printed during the time when shops ordered hundreds of copies of Image titles
the last time I went to a comic show (which, admittedly, was years ago) you could still find bins of copies
― ⌘-B (mh), Monday, 22 September 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link
looks like you can get the full run of 1963 on ebay for less than the cost of shipping
― ⌘-B (mh), Monday, 22 September 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link
1963 kept chester brown solvent for years just off of inking one issue
― von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Monday, 22 September 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
a shame it was never finished, the issues that were published were good
― ⌘-B (mh), Monday, 22 September 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
Oh, I assume 1963 is worth zilch but I've never seen a floppy copy, it was a nice surprise amongst the Valiants and Zero Hours.
The Flex comics have a ton of loose pages, I'm just happy 'cause I'm a saddo Morrison completist.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link
sadly, this immediately made me think of how many prostitutes this paid for
― Οὖτις, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
guilty lol
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 September 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link
My order from the Top Shelf insanely-cheap clearance sale arrived today, so that's what I'll be reading for a while. My wife could barely pick up the box from our front porch.
― another board Bee K.O. (WilliamC), Monday, 22 September 2014 23:24 (nine years ago) link
Chester wasn't whoring in the early '90s APART FROM INKING THAT HALF AN ISSUE amirite, oh man it looked so good
― Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 08:55 (nine years ago) link
and i think joe matt lived for like a decade (?) off coloring that one Grendel thing. These wily canucks know how to stretch a dollah!
― von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 15:48 (nine years ago) link
^ also looked so good, one of the best colour jobs on a DC comic ever, and a huge leap foward for him. if it hadn't been delayed so many years before it came out, he could have had a happy and fulfilling career, or at least rented a place with its own bathroom.
― Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 16:46 (nine years ago) link
yeah it was gorgeous.
― von Daniken Donuts (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link