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Is v. 1 of the box set available on US Spotify? I can only find v. 2.

Brad C., Saturday, 13 September 2014 17:46 (nine years ago) link

looks like a lot of the tracks have disappeared but here: http://open.spotify.com/album/1R9tlJyqXxgTN4YvrrfzUX

adam, Saturday, 13 September 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link

spotify links are awful maybe this one: spotify:album:1R9tlJyqXxgTN4YvrrfzUX

adam, Saturday, 13 September 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link

Found it, thanks!

Brad C., Saturday, 13 September 2014 23:50 (nine years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/arts/music/cosimo-matassa-whose-studio-birthed-a-rock-n-roll-sound-dies-at-88.html?hpw&rref=obituaries&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpHedThumbWell&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0

excerpt from NY Times obit

“Virtually every R&B record made in New Orleans between the late ’40s and the early ’70s was engineered by Cosimo Matassa, and recorded in one of his four studios,” Jeff Hannusch wrote in “I Hear You Knockin’: The Sound of New Orleans Rhythm and Blues” (1985).

More than 250 nationally charting singles and 21 gold records were recorded at the studio, most of them distinguished by what came to be known as the Cosimo sound: strong drums, heavy bass, light piano, heavy guitar and light horns. It is sometimes also called simply the New Orleans sound.

The studio became a sought-after resource for the independent labels that emerged or grew in importance after World War II. Chess, Aladdin, De Luxe, Atlantic, Savoy and Specialty, among others, used the studio, originally for just $15 an hour.

The hits born there included Little Richard’s “Tutti Frutti” and “Good Golly Miss Molly”; Big Joe Turner’s “Shake, Rattle and Roll”; Professor Longhair’s “Mardi Gras in New Orleans”; Smiley Lewis’s “I Hear You Knockin’ ”; Frankie Ford’s “Sea Cruise”; and Chris Kenner’s “Land of 1,000 Dances.”

Some music historians say that rock ’n’ roll began in 1947 when Roy Brown recorded “Good Rockin’ Tonight” at J & M. Others say a signal moment came on Dec. 10, 1949, when Fats Domino cut eight songs there, including his first commercially released single, “The Fat Man.”

curmudgeon, Sunday, 14 September 2014 05:26 (nine years ago) link

I knew he recorded a lot of stuff I loved, but I had no idea of the sheer breadth. That Big Joe's "Shake, Rattle and Roll" was recorded by Matassa was news to me, but it makes sense when you hear it.

Jazzbo, Monday, 15 September 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link

I hear those records differently than the Times reviewer: heavy piano and horns, not so much guitar. This one by Eddie Bo, featuring the great Edgar Blanchard, is a rocking exception though. Guitar riff on this is just insidious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7GLuZ_Dedw

Dick Clownload (Dan Peterson), Monday, 15 September 2014 19:32 (nine years ago) link

another Matassa obit

http://www.louisianaweekly.com/creator-of-the-cosimo-sound-dies/

Cosimo Matassa
April 13, 1926 – September 11, 2014
by Geraldine Wyckoff
September 22, 2014

curmudgeon, Saturday, 27 September 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Frankie Ford last week and now

https://www.offbeat.com/news/new-orleans-drummer-smokey-johnson-dies/

New Orleans drummer who played on Professor Longhair's "Big Chief," Earl King's "Trick Bag," and, under his own name, the Mardi Gras classic "It Ain't My Fault."

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 16:56 (eight years ago) link

Damn.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:51 (eight years ago) link

rip

adam, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:55 (eight years ago) link

Aw crap, I hadn't heard about Frankie Ford either. It was so hard to miss Ponderosa Stomp this year, because my chances of ever seeing Mabel John or Joe Clay are getting fewer.

Half as cool as Man Sized Action (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 19:54 (eight years ago) link

rip, so underrated. "Ain't My Fault" is everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlBuc863hU0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxi2fFeIY38

lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:21 (eight years ago) link

I forget who I heard the story from, maybe Bob French, about Smokey Johnson in the record label office saying "I've got a song to record!" and playing that beat on the table, then being told something to the effect of "um that's not a song yet" and going back to write the melody.

lil urbane (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 20:27 (eight years ago) link

five years pass...

we like birdland

unknown or illegal user (doo rag), Saturday, 8 May 2021 19:35 (two years ago) link

four weeks pass...

It's like a million degrees in Minneapolis (well, 90+ F) so I am pretending I am in New Orleans and listening to a Jessie Hill compilation. These sessions must have been an amazing, drunken party. Half the songs sound the same, trying to rewrite "Ooh Poo Pah Doo" to find another hit, but they're all great! "Scoop Scoobie Doobie" is the most ridiculous piece of hollering nonsense, riding that unstoppable New Orleans beat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyHDh4rKGXI

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 7 June 2021 19:47 (two years ago) link

Ridiculous & great, love that swung tambourine against everything else.

Also in case people don't know:

He was grandfather to brothers Troy "Trombone Shorty" and James Andrews, and their cousins Glen David Andrews and Travis "Trumpet Black" Hill

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 7 June 2021 19:55 (two years ago) link

Damn, that Jessie Hill song is creating a great disturbance in my mind (and yeah, the swung tambourine is indeed esp awesome); wish I could be walking across Frenchmen Street right now sweating through my mask--thanks!

Kangol In The Light (Craig D.), Monday, 7 June 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link

xp I had actually just been listening to James' Satchmo of the Ghetto, which opens with a song about Jessie that borrows bits from both "Ooh Poo Pah Doo" and "Scoop Scoobie Doobie." That prompted a deep dive into his granddad's stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPmiD4bNop4

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 7 June 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link

Very, very informative thread, with lots of appealing comments, enticing descriptions, thanks! For me the gateway was Dr. John's early 70s Gumbo, ace choice of singles way the fuck OOP then, don't know if they ever did all make it to the same place again. if you can stand his vocal jive-shtick at all (and indeed, his voice in extended interviews was much the same)longtime NOLA studio rat Mac Rebbenack is the guide for this, with a round-up of the right players and roungh & ready sound, and yeah sounds like they've known all these songs from an early age (some of the records weren't really that old, but wtf OOP).
Also New Orleans as Hell, though he finally hit big in Vegas (think he started working in late 1930s?): leavu us not forget my man Louis Prima; can't top xgau's description of another gateway:
Zooma Zooma: The Best of Louis Prima [Rhino, 1990]
A Vegas fixture for a quarter century before he died at 67 in 1978, this Storyville-born Sicilian singer-trumpeter shared his entertainment philosophy as well as his Christian name with Armstrong and Jordan. He crossed over r&b with 1950's "Oh, Babe!" but it was the honking tenor and rough vocal cameos of his compatriot Sam Butera that added rock and roll anti-class to a jazz act that pitted Prima's jocular leads against the sensible musicality of his consort Keely Smith. Prima was a go-for-the-gut clown whose signature musical tactic was to intersperse flat-out novelties like "Robin Hood" and "Jump, Jive an' Wail" with two-song medleys that moved the crap-shooting punters on to "I Ain't Got Nobody" before "Just a Gigolo" got old. Since 1990, when Rhino assembled these 18 tracks (14 on cassette, remember that one?), there have been more straight reissues, reshuffled comps, radio transcriptions, and live exhumations than I want to hear or count. More likely to cost four bucks than the 40 some chiselers are charging, this out-of-print 18-track laff-fest is probably the best, probably because it keeps the rock market in mind. The best alternative I've heard is the 1991 Capitol Collectors Series, which has eight more tracks but omits the nostalgic "Robin Hood" and the fat "Them There Eyes"/"Honeysuckle Rose." Forget Capitol's 26-track 2007 Jump, Jive an' Wail: The Essential Louis Prima, with its non-NAACP "Civilization (Bongo Bongo Bongo)," pre-IIADL "Luigi," and bored run-throughs of "Hello Dolly" and "Cabaret." The pura the zooma the betta. A
Although those others are worth checking out online, if you can't get enough.

dow, Monday, 7 June 2021 21:38 (two years ago) link

I have an 8CD Bear Family box of Prima's stuff. It's not all essential, not by half, but the peaks are fantastic. (I didn't pay what Bear Family's asking; I got it on eBay for about half that — dead stock from a record store that went out of business.)

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 7 June 2021 21:44 (two years ago) link

Yeah, most of his comps are best approached as berry picker's baskets for your own mixes--8 CDs!! can't imagine, but congratz for getting it at a great price.
A variety of good-to-primo Prima here, also interviews w his co-stars, perfect foil Keely Smith and right hand man Sam Butera, although (with two hours to fill) sometimes the Vegas side of the conceptualizing is too much: Flying Burrito Bothers' "Sin City," perfect---Kay Starr's Wheel of Fortune," (starting w spooky, thrilling sound of the wheel itself), amen---Wayne Newton's "Danke Schoen" o shit. But overall it's---quite a riide:
http://americanroutes.wwno.org/archives/show/1116/Bourbon-Street-to-Vegas-with-Louis-Prima

dow, Monday, 7 June 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link

I wish there was more footage of them on YouTube; the dynamic between Prima and Smith is fantastic. An obvious precursor to Sonny & Cher, too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAP9hC4GP_U

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 7 June 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link

Yeah, look at her eyeing him, "Mm-hmm." But she's listening.

dow, Monday, 7 June 2021 22:11 (two years ago) link

dow, Gumbo was not a singles collection (it was all recorded in '72) but rather a tribute to songs that were local hits for others in the 50s and 60s: Sugar Boy Crawford, Longhair, Earl King. I'm sure Mac heard a song like "Blow Wind Blow" by Junior Gordon on local radio often when he was young; it was the golden era of local and regional hits, and New Orleans produced a bunch of 'em.

I was listening to Tommy Ridgley the other day, another guy like Jessie Hill who really never made it nationally, but had many local hits, so when Snooks Eaglin would cover "Lavinia" or "Ooh Lawdy My Baby" those weren't obscurities to him, those were songs he would have heard on the radio in his youth.

And yes, that Rhino Prima comp is excellent fun.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 7 June 2021 22:17 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I said it was Dr. John rounding up other guys who knew the old stuff.

dow, Monday, 7 June 2021 22:20 (two years ago) link

AKA Mac or Mack Rebennack (right spelling?), already a New Orleans sessioneer in his teens, like late 50s.

dow, Monday, 7 June 2021 22:24 (two years ago) link

Sorry, reading and working at the same time!

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 7 June 2021 22:26 (two years ago) link

No prob, I do type a lot. One of those Gumbis guys, one of the main guys on there, was Ronnie Barron, AKA Rev. Ether--made an album of that title I've never heard, but xgau nails this 'un too:

Ronnie Barron: Blues Delicacies, Vol. 1 [Vivid Sound, 1980]
The erstwhile Reverend Ether, who worked as Paul Butterfield's sideman after declining Dr. John's shingle, here adds a respectfully raunchy collection of standards to the modest store of first-rate New Orleans rock and roll LPs. This is no Wild Tchoupitoulas or Fats Domino or Crawfish Fiesta, but it sure holds its own against Mac Rebennack's Gumbo or Lee Dorsey's Yes We Can. A minor delight for the aficionado and a revelation for the uninitiated. Problem is, it'll cost you 15 bucks as a Japanese import, if you can find it. Rounder, Alligator, Flying Fish--help! Warners--oh never mind. A-

dow, Monday, 7 June 2021 22:33 (two years ago) link

Cool, didn't know about that one. Definitely in a Dr. John bag.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MubYIY1XJgk

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 7 June 2021 22:48 (two years ago) link

Cool, thanks! Reminds me of Bobby Charles s/t '72 LP---he was a swamp pop country bandleader also into Fats Domino, who had a hit w BC's "Walkin' To New Orleans," declined' See You Later Alligator," but Charles did alright with it on Chess---Ed Ward tells his story here, w good musical excerpts https://www.npr.org/2012/06/13/150960729/the-untold-story-of-singer-bobby-charles">:https://www.npr.org/2012/06/13/150960729/the-untold-story-of-singer-bobby-charles As Ward says, Charles was on the lam from a Nashville pot bust, made his way up to Woodstock, chosen cos he liked the name, and stumbled into the right crowd, where he got to record his s/t, which we-uns used to meller out with after playing The Meters' Cabbage Alley and xp Dr. John's Gumbo---Light In The Attic reissued the original LP version, which they aptly describe here:
A virtual who’s who of classic ‘roots’ rock – the album features 10 Bobby Charles classics supported by the likes of Rick Danko, Levon Helm, Garth Hudson, and Richard Manuel of The Band, long time Neil Young sidekick Ben Keith, Bob Dylan’s former running mate Bob Neuwirth, session maverick Amos Garrett, the esteemed Dr. John, Geoff Muldaur and several others.

But this is far from an all-star jam session – this is an ensemble record in the truest sense of the word – with each musician simply supporting the Louisiana vibe that flows thru the 10 song collection of country, blues, R&B, and folk that all have that distinctive Bobby Charles signature sound..
Later it was a CD with three bonus tracks, and then a Rhino Handmade triple-CD! Expected to have way too many alt-takes, demos, etc., but here are a lot of titles I hadn't seen before:
https://media.rhino.com/press-release/bobby-charles Handmade CDs are ltd. ed. and go OOP fairly quickly, but this and others are still available as downloads, reasonably priced.
I find a lot of swamp pop (not that I've really heard a lot, but a lot of what I've heard) to be clunkly, at least compared to NOLA slippin'-bouncin' etc, but his LP has enough of the latter (and never clunks), though it is his boondocks stoner voice, making its way over the beat, floatin' to New Orleans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFzBmPBVUPs

dow, Monday, 21 June 2021 21:17 (two years ago) link

That's the original 10 tracks, although I think this playlist starts w the LP's closer? Good audio, anyway.

dow, Monday, 21 June 2021 21:19 (two years ago) link

I can't believe how late to the game I am discovering Rockie Charles. He played many Jazzfests I attended in the 1990s/early oughts, but I never saw him, and I'm just now hearing his 1996 debut album Born for You. His vocals are very Al Green-inspired, and he had a great, soulful touch on guitar as well. Really kicking myself for never seeing him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5xzG1pZ_A4

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 15:08 (two years ago) link

Thanks, hadn't heard of him! Here's a better link for the whole Bobby Charles s/t playlist:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLh0ysVWgxTiz5GHBmHfAhrXMDsRlt_8-l

dow, Friday, 25 June 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

Hurricane Ida destroyed or severely damaged thousands of homes in south Louisiana after the category 4 storm roared ashore on August 29. WWL-TV in New Orleans reports that among those whose homes have been made all but unlivable is New Orleans R&B singer Clarence “Frogman” Henry. His residence in Algiers suffered extensive roof damage which has led to collapsed ceilings and a mold outbreak, yet the music icon continues to live amid the damage while he awaits his insurance claim.

https://www.offbeat.com/news/clarence-frogman-henry-continues-to-live-in-home-severely-damaged-by-hurricane-ida/?fbclid=IwAR16tVgUSxHrydphyr55A6UWYfT-zvrT3BjhMbCPEgf7nt9gj_56ejP7Vhw

curmudgeon, Thursday, 14 October 2021 03:21 (two years ago) link

Aw, that's sad. And frustrating.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 14:05 (two years ago) link

Oh man, I didn't even know he was still alive! That's really terrible, I've gone through something similar but to a much milder extent. Dealing with the insurance companies was like having AAA come over and take a shit on you while you're sitting by your wrecked car.

birdistheword, Thursday, 14 October 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link

Awful! In happier news, as I said over on[The Band.
The greatly expanded xpost Bobby Charles turned out to be all worthwhile:
Yall I just listened to the xpost Rhino Handmade 3-CD expansion digital ghost on Spotify (also available as downloads, like maybe all the Handmades; I've noticed Fugs, Beefheart, Television: two more LPs-worth of good-to excellent tracks, which hopefully he still had the rights to put (w/o re-recording) on yon self-released albums, when he reportedly fled Woodstock Babylon for Sweet Home Louisiana(nuthin weird goin' on down there, nuh-uh). Listening this way, I don't have the CD booklet, but who specifically played what on what has always been conjectural, according to my not-very-extensive research, and a lot of this sounds as Bandy as the original s/t; also, several cuts sound like they might incl. Garth *and* Dr. John, ideally enough. Anybody looking for cover material should def. check this out, "You Were There" def. rec. to Willie.

dow, Thursday, 14 October 2021 17:03 (two years ago) link

Great thread, listening to Vol. 1 of the Cosimo Matassa Story comp, so many great songs.

o. nate, Thursday, 21 October 2021 15:13 (two years ago) link

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/american-south/2021/09/23/new-orleans-dew-drop-inn-revival-green-book-hotel/7413340002/

The home to much mid- 20th century New Orleans sounds the Dew Drop Inn may be coming back. Article has some interesting anecdotes on its historic roots

curmudgeon, Monday, 25 October 2021 04:00 (two years ago) link

I see I first posted about Sugar Boy Crawford in this thread 15 years ago. I’ve had my eye out for a compilation of his stuff all these years and never found one. Even looked in record stores in New Orleans.

I've never actually seen this Sugarboy comp in the wild, but it does exist.

https://www.louisianamusicfactory.com/product/sugar-boy-crawford-the-chronological-sugar-boy-crawford-1953-1954/

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 25 October 2021 17:40 (two years ago) link

And I hope the revitalization of the Dew Drop comes to pass. It's been floated a few times in the past without success.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 25 October 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link

I've been catching up on Lee Dorsey - I don't think I've ever seen his records pop up during any visit to a record store, partly due to their sporadic availability - and I noticed that Elvis Costello's 2006 collaboration with Allen Toussaint is mostly Dorsey's stuff, and the tracks are primarily drawn from two albums that EC listed in his own list of 500 favorites for Vanity Fair. Anyway, great stuff, and it's kind of astonishing that despite a healthy amount of recording activity and a handful of sizable hits, Dorsey turned to auto repair as his main trade just to make a living.

birdistheword, Monday, 25 October 2021 18:02 (two years ago) link

I was super sad to read that about Clarence Henry. I would guess he never got near his fair share of what his records sold. Absolutely love the news of a local cleanup company owner, a fan, volunteering his services, and the insurance deductible. (Obviously, everybody dealing with disastrous damage like this should get similar support, but, welcome to America.)

As a listener, I've never dug beyond "Ain't Got No Home," its sequel song, and "I Don't Know Why," which I have on comps. Have always adored them. I should seek out a good best-of.

This is a good thread! I finally picked up a Huey "Piano" Smith best-of recently, the old Rockin' Pneumonia disc, and it's fantastic listening. It is sadly missing the fabulous "Free, Single, and Disengaged," with its surprisingly wistful hook... which I think is played by a typical small horn section but has always merged together in the lo-fi recording to sound almost like a bassoon to me.

I Am Fribbulus (Xax) (Doctor Casino), Monday, 25 October 2021 18:21 (two years ago) link

Oh I gotta look up that disc, thanks!
xpost xgau sees Lee Dorsey w The Clash:

Yes He Can Can
Lee Dorsey saunters onto the Palladium stage in cream-colored three-piece suit, chocolate shirt and hankie that match his skin, and low boots of lemony patent leather. This is the kind of man for whom the word dapper was invented. No more than five-six and slender, he dances with a rolling gait that's spry rather than spectacular. After all, he's 55 years old. Anyway: "I guess you heard about my motorcycle accident. I broke this leg"--indicating the left--"in four places. But I refuse to sit down."

I doubt that 10 per cent of this audience even know his name, much less his medical history, although "Holy Cow" and "Do-Re-Mi" and "Ya Ya" and "Working in a Coal Mine" and "Ride Your Pony" all ring bells. Dorsey isn't a legend like the Clash's previous openers, Bo Diddley and Sam & Dave, and if there were any justice he wouldn't need to be, because he's recorded good music right into the '70s, with two classic albums to his credit: Yes We Can (1970 Polydor cutout) and Night People (1977 ABC cutout). Dorsey hasn't appeared in New York since he and the Apollo were in their commercial prime around 1966, but he's completely at ease, lilting through his hits with occasional well-aimed shouts and uttering his "thank you very kindly"s and "heh-heh-heh"s with vaudevillian charm and esprit. Unlike most oldies acts, he's not going through the motions, probably because he's never put himself on the block as an oldies act. His band, four "funky white boys"--Dorsey's description--from New Orleans called Skor, sing way too loud and quite flat on "Holy Cow" but then settle into a pleasing, slightly rockified Meters groove, with drummer Ronnie Arcement's versions of Ziggy Modeliste's impossible accents and crossbeats especially deft. Somebody should bring Dorsey back to this city, preferably with Skor, before 1994.

I should add that the headliners were spectacular. I just figure they'd want me to give the spry its due.

Village Voice, Mar. 17, 1980

dow, Monday, 25 October 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link

Here he checks the 70s albums, and some subsequent collections---man I gotta get to these:

https://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=Lee+Dorsey

dow, Monday, 25 October 2021 19:04 (two years ago) link

setlists from that tour:
https://www.concertarchives.org/concerts/the-clash-lee-dorsey
Cool pic of him w them (linked in case not spozed to paste image)
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/535295105691504657/

dow, Monday, 25 October 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link

Excellent write-up and capsule reviews from xgau.

Re: Huey "Piano" Smith, I would recommend this compilation, and it does have "Free, Single, and Disengaged":

https://www.discogs.com/release/3385873-Huey-Piano-Smith-His-Clowns-Having-A-Good-Time-The-Very-Best-Of-Volume-1

birdistheword, Monday, 25 October 2021 19:20 (two years ago) link


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