Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

She's messing up having such a big gap between albums and touring so much.

nah, clearly no one's forgetting about her, better to take the time to make a great record. unless she's overthinking everything and ends up making a terrible record because of it, of course.

I hope it doesn't turn into another nmh/mbv situation. I do think Visions was that good; it seems like it would be very hard to follow up

"nah, clearly no one's forgetting about her, better to take the time to make a great record. unless she's overthinking everything and ends up making a terrible record because of it, of course."

When you look at her career though before and up to visions, and I was a fan back then, her output was frequent, 4 releases in 2 years. It suited her development and kind of highly momentary transient style. Visions and the lack of anything after it has shocked her a bit into anxiety that wasn't there before. I think she's absolutely a person who requires total personal freedom and it's clear thats been affected by the success. She's obviously a confident person but highly sensitive. She's in a bit of a block right now and then Go came out and it was just absolutely not the record anyone really wanted to hear (though the vocals were brilliant) after such a void. But it would've worked fine in the middle of other stuff or if people hadn't been so starved.

jordan is right. visions has set her up for big things and if she puts out a great record it could really catapult her. if it's wack her buzz will die down a bit (like on some current day MIA shit where she's fallen off the mainstream radar but can still be an indie superstar). it doesn't matter if that record came out last year or comes out next year tho.

https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/510531702125371392

smdh ... haha

mb some aliases/sideprojects to offload material w/out fretting about the brand all the time

Lime-scales

smdh....so many dead horses??? Dude that's fucked up why is Grimes killing horses?

with all those dead horses in the sun, how's grimes 'posed to get any writing done?

Like many young people who frequently change hair color, Boucher maintains an active Tumblr

otm

People who shave animal shapes into their hair usually haven't updated their tumblr in about 2 years iirc

shaving my damn hair

stop making droopy hats......grimes is so judgmental! #grimesleavemyhatalone

http://m.pitchfork.com/news/57072-grimes-did-not-like-ariel-pinks-comments-about-madonna/

i'm pretty sure claire publicly stated she didn't want her tumblr/twitter posts to become news stories

what does she want them to become

everyone needs to stop being mean to ariel pink

hopefully a lengthy article about beta male misogyny will now get posted on every music forum

Whats so misogonist about not likink Madonna's records?

nothing per se but when you couch that dislike in vitriolic sexist/ageist/rockist language ppl are going to call you out on being a piece of shit

i can easily take sides here, grimes is cool ariel pink seems like a dick, but somehow knowing about this story makes me feel like im wasting my life

"She can’t just have her Avicii, her producers or whatever, come up with a new techno jam for her to gyrate to and pretend that she’s 20 years old. They actually need songs. I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing."

this sounds very sexist. but i am disturbed at the fact that it doesn't seem like ariel pink was actually ever contracted by madonna to write songs. he has always been a troubled guy... maybe now he is delusional?

The sexist think is the 20 years old thing, but I think he would have said it also if it was a male singer that he used to like and now not, too.

Yeah, there's nothing overtly misogynist/sexist in Pink's comments.

But y'know, some guy called Default Genders has weighed in, so that's worth reporting.

oh huh cool James brooks put an album out

wtf. Saying that Madonna is only making music to 'gyrate to and pretend that she's 20 years old' (because old women, lol!) is completely misogynistic. Also implying that it's just her producers who make the music, while she just dances. Because of course Madonna can't be writing her own stuff.

there's nothing overt, just the ongoing theme of diminishing the songwriting talents of women and giving full credit to their producers, something that's seldom done to men

obviously different vocalists have varying levels of songwriting/arranging/production input on their albums but it's seldom used against men as a weapon to diminish their perceived talent

whoops, Frederik beat me to it

that point came to mind in the last few days following the news of Mark Bell's death. some people not that familiar with his LFO work mentioned his ongoing collaboration with Bjork, which is cool, but some people went far enough to say he was "responsible" for one of their fave Bjork albums which is completely wrongheaded as he was an amazing producer but Bjork notably does her own work. but I guess men do the real work, or something.

"responsible" in this context is one of those terms which can mean pretty much any degree of credit for the final product. not sure where you saw it but I could imagine someone using it yesterday to bang out a Mark Bell obit as fast as possible without having to look into exactly what his role was

naw

I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing.

hahaha

What's that french sounding word that's like curator that sounds like orr-ter? That's what Madonna has always been. A genius of capturing some moment in some sort of scene, immersing in it, and blowing it up. Been associating herself near creatives since before she was famous, to be famous (i.e Basquiat in NY). AP not exactly the first person to say she's not a great singer or a great musician or doesn't play an instrument or whatever. It doesn't really matter to what she's doing and to say that she's not a musician like Prince or something isn't misogynist. She left her hometown to New York to be famous in showbusiness, not be a musician.

if you mean auteur, it doesn't mean what you think it means (but it's still applicable)
if you mean hauteur, it also doesn't mean that, and it's definitely applicable

did Raccoon Takuki just out himself as a britisher by thinking "au" has an "r" sound

where's alfred to pull out all of madonna's songwriting receipts

Last time I looked, singing was still being a musician.

if you mean auteur, it doesn't mean what you think it means (but it's still applicable)
if you mean hauteur, it also doesn't mean that, and it's definitely applicable

thanks and yes I got it wrong.

Last time I looked, singing was still being a musician.

but people have always said she couldn't sing. it doesn't matter. she's still a musician. these definitions are irrelevant.

bricoleur?

female pop singers can barely ever win when it comes to singing. either they "can't sing" (a charge rarely levelled at dudes where singing off-key too often codes as authenticity) or they're emotionless show-boating bots (mariah, whitney, celine)

who was saying madonna can't sing? i'm confused.

but prolego otm.

either they "can't sing" (a charge rarely levelled at dudes where singing off-key too often codes as authenticity)

I would like to point out for the record that I say this about dudes all the time (hi dere Ryan Tedder)

female pop singers can barely ever win when it comes to singing. either they "can't sing" (a charge rarely levelled at dudes where singing off-key too often codes as authenticity) or they're emotionless show-boating bots (mariah, whitney, celine)

Same with men people always have their opinions. Dylan, McCartney, Lennon. I guess your barely ever win would have to include quite a few who do like Tracy Chapman, Joni, Flack, Diana Ross, Lauryn, Adele, Nina Simeone, Dolly, Dusty, Mary, Estefan, Kate Bush, Aretha, Aaliyah. Just because a few like Rihanna and Britney can't hold a note, Aguilera can't reign it in doesn't say that women vocalists 'never win when it comes to singing'

xpost a lot of people clearly do! prolego is referring to the voice of the patriarchy, just like everyone on every ILM thread

obviously with sexism being a major feature of recording industry in 20th century history of solo female pop music is more replete with female popstars who can't sing great. but obvs there's a tonne who are incredible and given all their due and to say female pop singers have "never won" on accreditation of their voices is just plain wrong and really a bizarre formulation.

i didn't say "never win", only rarely. but it's a bit suspicious listing these (often soul) singers that are safely canonized 20/30 years after they were popular. aaliyah was definitely not considered a great singer by critics or indie dudes when she was alive! kate bush was sidelined for the first decade of her career. mariah is only starting to get her due respect now she's birthed several imitators. i'm sure it'll be great in 30 years time when jazmine sullivan is retrospectively judged as one of the all time great vocalists but women are rarely given the props they deserve when they're actually active on the charts.