FKA twigs

well then to be clear - i just find it funny when men respond to criticism of men by quibbling without the slightest bit of apparent introspection. this weird "oh no i totally agree sexism is a thing in men reviewing work by women but *reviews work by woman*"

i apologize for saying "pitchfork dude" initially cuz that's really a subset of what i'm describing

my point was not brand loyalty

...and you're picking on *Lex* for doing this, rather than some of the idiocy upthread from Brad and D-40? Come on.

The article benefits from the fact vastly lower standards are demanded from music writers (particularly indie-leaning ones) as compared to -say- philosophy writers (and they get away with all kinds of lazy shit as a result).

i am not leaving brad or d-40 out of this observation. if they were posting that stuff now my posts would immediately follow those instead of j0rdan's and lex's.

And we've got ILX's resident MRA spouting his ~opinions~ about the article all over the thread, too, and it's like, you're picking on one of the guys who has actually engaged the article and the topic all over ILM for years? I guess maybe it would have been better if you quoted, Croupier.

i am not "quibbling". she opened up a massive and complex subject - really well - and there are necessarily other issues it raised that would not have fit in her word count.

well no, because i don't want to leave lex OUT of what I'm describing. if you want to hand him a pass, fine.

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I dunno; maybe we need a new thread for discussing the article. Or maybe I should just remove the bookmark from the thread until all of you go back to talking about LP1.

who wants to talk about the queasy slowdown in the middle of "Video Girl" and how it evokes a sinking sensation in yr stomach that mimics a hypothetical feeling in twigs caused by having to deflect yet another query about whether she's the girl that's from the video?

also i think in cases like this it would behove a lot of people to walk the talk and actually regularly rep for female artists in a non-misogynist way rather than treating it all as theory

(cf the iggy azalea argument: i have seen so many rap bros make the - accurate - point that black female rappers wouldn't be accepted in the way she is, with similar material. and yet none of them ever seem to actively rep for any black female rappers! strange.)

(Yeah, like, I know I'm guilty of this, too, but it's just the way that every single thread about a prominent female artist turns into another discussion of How Male Critics Write About Female Artists and maybe we need a thread just specifically for that, so we can actually concentrate on discussing the music, because this is yet another thing male artists never have to put up with.)

This record is a few times crappier than Grimes' Visions, tbh. I don't blike recs I'd rather talk abt than listen to rly

maybe if you didnt try to make your THIS ARTICLE 100% OTM case about an article that was maybe 80% OTM

lol @ croupier btw ... was honestly wondering which side he was going to come down on here, because there's no way he thinks this article is any more on point than anyone else

lol @ the idea that im defensive of pfork bros writing about R&B though -__- if they want to clown jess harvell and ryan dombal have at it

wait is that an 8.0 best new thinkpiece or just an 8.0

ouch! hey, i rate albums with those numbers!

This record is a few times crappier than Grimes' Visions, tbh. I don't blike recs I'd rather talk abt than listen to rly

I'd disagree, given that this has basically been on endless repeat since it came out and I don't think I made it through the entirety of Visions once.

This record reminds me of a lot of things but never Grimes

i thought there was a pretty widespread understanding of this set of cultural associations of woman as "natural" and man as "technical" and the how that could be read through the various lenses that women in music, and culture in general, are refracted through. I feel like this is sortof basic post-popism. I also think that critiques along this line miss something about the way cultural artifacts actually circulate in generative ways that, due to their performative nature, don't enter so easily into the archive. I also wonder if anybody has written interestingly about archiving in relation to the pop music canon and the necessary capital conditions for maintaining archival material. This is obviously a topic with a huge discourse attached to it elsewhere but i don't really know much about music writing. I do really like grimes and i don't really know about the producers. I know who arca is. same with jessie ware, i think i was at a party that bashmore djed once.

i bought a ticket to see kelela yesterday

btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4PQHpBhekE

i meant to say i like twigs, i like one grimes song quite a lot

have not finished this yet

http://www.thefader.com/2014/09/12/popping-off-fka-twigs-beyonce-alt-r-and-b

i finally got LP1 and i think i need to give it more time and attention. drifty floaty type music with skittery beats has never been my thing at all so i think i'll have an extra hurdle tbh

I was with that article right up until the point where it referenced the quote used as the lyrics to "Preface" without actually mentioning that they were used in a song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY5KTVA_2ys

pull out the incisor
give me two weeks
you won't recognize her

^^^ I feel like you could do an entire dissertation on the context that transforms this into a sexy statement

Uhh the Solve Sundsbo photo shoot for V Magazine? it is breathtaking

http://superselected.com/fka-twigs-is-a-sci-fi-heroine-for-v-magazine-by-solve-sundsbo/

Heard this album for the first time this week and this is an earworm. Didn't really grabbed me the first time but it has now become one of my favorite releases this year.

First listen it's like between Halfaxa and Visions, but without the joy of Visions. Exciting talent but like some others in here find the music sterile at times, other than Two Weeks.

btw I think she is everything Grimes admires to be look and style wise

ppl reaching for the grimes comparisons really have a small frame of reference even within the always-compare-women-to-women trope (that i'm probably falling into when i bring up vespertine as the closest comparison) (and this year, one of the few records doing a similar thing is probably the new cooly g one, though they *sound* very different)

urrrrr this album's about r-patz abort abort

wait there's a new Cooly G?

urrrrr this album's about r-patz

Wait, for real?

Yes she wrote all the songs about him in advance of actually dating him because she had a premonition.

oh lol I didn't even know the two were dating now.

good career move depressing as that is, money, exposure etc

maybe she's just team edward, jesus

This song "Hours" though just falls flat in the middle of nowhere for me

Hats of to whoever engineered and recorded vocals for Pendulum.

idg the Grimes comparison, esp considering that Grimes is totally unlistenable

Grimes comparison is consistently the most baffling thing in this thread.

Pendulum was co-produced by Twigs and Paul Epworth and the whole album was engineered by David Wrench, who also did the last three Caribou albums and is on a hell of a roll this year.

I get the Grimes comparison, but still, stop.

not really baffling though is it when she has a very similar voice over electronic production and dances around in the same way? You just sound like you don't like the comparison.

You sound like you're paying a fuck of a lot more attention to the "dancing around" (bcz that's what gurls do, amirite?) than to the music, the production, or even their voices.

I mean, christ, this thread is just an idiot attractor, isn't it?