Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

oops! sorry, i thought for a second we were talking about scott adams. yes, i'm sure douglas adams mostly thought of himself as a fiction author, surely

its ok to identify as a 'gamer', but if your whole identity is based around being a 'gamer' and the subculture that goes around it then it becomes a problem, like a steady diet of pizza and nothing else. e.g. just reading about 'swatting', where live streamers are pranked by calling in a SWAT team on them. what other subculture would come up with such idiocy?

this is the guy w/ the unplayable IF games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Adams_(game_designer)

i don't think Scott Adams is more unplayable than most of the IF of his era - i.e. stupidly hard to the point of guessing/cheating

But then, I think arguing the point that "not all games have win conditions" in this context is accepting the idea that "win conditions lead to games being more consumerist than other artforms", as these seem to be the two ideas that lagoon is connecting here. To me that sentence is obviously ridiculous to the point that it sounds like *I* am being ridiculous by framing that as the claim, but I think it's on lagoon to clarify this.

Multiple xposts again.

well no one seems to play them for one thing

― lag∞n, Monday, September 8, 2014 6:56 PM (3 minutes ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minecraft#Reception

win condition = game
no win condition = toy

is how i break it down sort of

Heyo can I get a Wittgenstein all up in this thread?

plz

minecraft has zombies that kill u also u have to get resources in order to build yr stuff, i mean maybe its not exactly a binary and i agree that its different in a lot of it is about the joy of building but it def has a lot of conventional game stuff in there too

Heyo can I get a Wittgenstein all up in this thread?

― emil.y, Monday, September 8, 2014 2:03 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh jeez

honestly, not finding the "gamer's not a label/identity/enthusiasm/fandom worth using and defending" track to be very convincing or useful. i play games a lot, i love games a lot, i am a gamer. it matters to me

why does it matter what cld possibly matter about a game

its by definition inconsiquental

What could possibly matter about paintings or songs or novels or sports or films or fashion? I don't know. Nothing. They are non-functional artefacts of culture. They are things that human beings do or create or discuss to fill in time before they die.

suspect you dont believe that

i don't mind conventional game stuff & binary endings at all. i like driving things, shooting guns, leveling up, unlocking shit. these are things the medium does really well. i just don't want to talk to other people who REALLY like doing those things. my taste in games is probably dialed way more toward marquee shooters than the average ILGer. what happened to cozen anyway? that guy had some kind of savant talent for fps, weren't his k/ds always around 3 or something? he wasn't a creepy fuckface as far as i could tell.

we need some post-indie gaming. games as NOT ART. poptimist gaming (even tho there's not much reason at all for optimism about the pop side of gaming.)

i hate to reduce the discussion here but bigging up the art side and the egghead side of games can't be solution to how toxic the hardcore subculture is. i think the casual bullshit side of it needs to be celebrated too.

i like bubble gum but there's no bubble gum fan culture to speak of, and frankly it's quite nice that way (except people are inexplicably buying less bubble gum each year and now it's hard to find bubble gum)

http://ignatz.brinkster.net/cimages/joyce.gif

the casual bullshit aspect prob represents a deeper more earnest attempt at finding meaning in games than games as art does

I am glad Mordy took my ridiculous gaming zionist simile in the spirit it was intended

On a note related to this thread, I was shopping at Target over the weekend and there was a shelf of Doritos in the Xbox games section, right underneath a shelf of games.

it's okay to take your time gaming seriously, but taking yourself as a player of games seriously is indicative of not having much else in your life that needs or merits serious attention. this is why i wouldn't come w/in a mile of self-applying the "gamer" tag. i still feel a little pang of guilt for the time sunk. time is finite. have any of the precious indie games explored that profound reality?? our boy mr. mountain goats just came out w/ a novel, you know? the fuck did i do? i tuned up a bunch of really hot cars in Forza 4 this weekend (among other things, but you get me...)

idk goole, I don't think "gamers" are any weirder than people who are obsessed with the NFL or w/e, with the diff that video games are at least participatory

lagoon's just trolling now as usual

i think the casual bullshit side of it needs to be celebrated too

i've never more intensely experienced the void + emptiness of my life as when i hit /played in WoW

http://www.gaming-age.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/dew-doritos-xbox-one.jpg

oh! I totally wanted to start a CHEWING magazine like in the calvin and hobbes strip.

the running and cycling culture watterson is making fun of is probably in its own way as toxic as gamer culture.

omg bicycle culture is horrible

people are super lonely and in desperate search for community and meaning i think is the moral to all of this

idk goole, I don't think "gamers" are any weirder than people who are obsessed with the NFL or w/e, with the diff that video games are at least participatory

― ⌘-B (mh), Monday, September 8, 2014 1:20 PM (41 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you all seen the roll tide/war eagle 30for30? a dude poisoned some trees because he was mad a cam newton. frankly i think that's less bad than the shit these 4chan shiteaters have pulled over the past few weeks. it's certainly on the same continuum tho.

mad *AT

lagoon's just trolling now as usual

― Nhex, Monday, September 8, 2014 2:20 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am a white hat troller tho

i've been telling myself that for years now

people are super lonely and in desperate search for community and meaning i think is the moral to all of this

― lag∞n, Monday, September 8, 2014 1:23 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

let me bring up the similarity to volkist antisemitism again

not all group identifications are similar to volkist antisemitism lol. ppl also join churches because they're lonely it doesn't make them nazis

well...

I'm with goole here, the dopamine squirt hamster wheel of casual bullshit gaming is better than all the other gaming imo

have we come to a conclusion yet re: the relative merits of Henry James vs. ToeJam & Earl

joining a Salsa club: volkist antisemitism y/n?

not all group identifications are similar to volkist antisemitism lol. ppl also join churches because they're lonely it doesn't make them nazis

― Mordy, Monday, September 8, 2014 1:27 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

BUT THIS ONE SURE IS

despite our rugged individualism + abhorrence for group identities, i notice we all post on the nazi-like community board ILX

a board that will last a thousand years

everything uber alles

Is there a convenient one word appellation for a sports fan? Sportster?

american male

actually, that's incorrect. although I have been thinking "ugh sports dude" as I swipe left on women's dating profiles where they're wearing sports jerseys :/

"sporto" has fallen out of favor

Those are both two words buddy xp

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lol