Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

u.m.sh@kedown I did not know about Joyce Worley, thanks! also I liked your article

DC I guess I was just too young then, my two best friends aged 8 had different 8-bit micros from me/each other but I just remember being like "cool, I can play games which don't exist on the Speccy". considered mentioning Amiga vs ST but my post was already rather long and Eurocentric... (yes, Atari and Commodore weren't European but AFAIK their machines were bought in much greater %s if not absolute numbers outside the Apple-then-console-dominated US)

I guess I came to Spectrum magazines when that "type-in listings for post-teenage hobbyists who may own or be considering buying multiple computers" era had mostly given way to "games magazine for format partisans" but yes, I do like that vibe in the earlier mags. Special mention for games where you can't press Break and see the BASIC listing!

never forget: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer's_Revenge

special mention for 2 hours of typing in a ZX81 game only for the ram pack to wobble and wipe the whole thing :\

^^^ not a gamer

the aggression seems anti-bro if anything. bros get what they want! they don't need games!

― goole, Friday, September 5, 2014 11:12 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That would be where the irony is re: last paragraph?

― 龜, Friday, September 5, 2014 11:14 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

right well yeah

aside from the misogyny i read a real discomfort with the codes of adult life in general from these dudes. the accusation that quinn had sex with a writer from kotaku for press has somewhat broadened into a general complaint that indie game developers and games journalists all... know each other. "things are happening that i don't understand because people being social in ways i can't access!"

flip thru enough twitter convos and you can sense the fear that there is some kind of SJW mafia that is not only going to critique games but determine what they will be

i was gonna say it's interesting that an overtly about-sex game like leisure suit larry has disappeared from the scene. but then there's internet porn now.

there's still a small but alive community around "adult interactive fiction" and other sex-oriented games

^^^ totally shagged Arianne

a guy's got to have some company sometimes :/

growing up, my best friend's dad was a dude like this, super fascinating scene. early rennaissance fairs, tolkien fandom, gary gygax, SSI games, the macintosh, underground comix, branching into older game enthusiasms like poker and chess which have their own crazy ancient subcultures and traditions of course

― goole, Friday, September 5, 2014 11:22 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah totally, throw in Omni Magazine, the old Games magazine which was more like mind puzzles and shit

i mean the whole tech industry from steve jobs (whose co-employees at atari called him "chariman mao" behind his back and complained about his b.o.) on down is really an outgrowth of late hippie

i would think the root of a lot of this DIY / headshop / meganerd stuff is Whole Earth Catalog, no?

we had a copy floating around the house iirc

still fun to flip through: http://www.wholeearth.com/back-issues.php

Ayo forks if you want my mags ilx mail me otherwise I'll recycle them in a week

I did! Did you not get my mail? I'll try again.

Fb me then

lemme know if you just got that

'Not that there's a neutral word for "foodie" either'

hungry

Got it xp

gracias!

it's amazing how many different aspects of this i couldn't give a fucking shit about

― Daphnis Celesta, Friday, September 5, 2014 9:11 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so I guess Zoe Quinn had saved loads of IRC chatlogs of tragic dogfuckers orchestrating the gamergate and discussing trying to hack her, and now a lot of part-time dogfuckers are having to go "...oh..." and back away slowly?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw1grxjCAAAYEQV.png:large

got a pretty intense wave of pathos washing over me right now

https://storify.com/public/templates/card/index.html?src=//storify.com/strictmachine/gameovergate

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.858347-Zoe-Quinn-and-the-surrounding-controversy?page=563

just in case you lose track of how these people think, members of the "cause" rationalize this too. Also this weird hangup about "the media" - who? What?

So, am I the only one not seeing the big deal about Zoe's IRC 'leaks'. I mean it was a public IRC that anyone could join and there was nothing bad about anything she uploaded.

Why are they saying we've to hate on a guy that got cheated on at least five times and forced into a nervous breakdown by his ex?

These youtube/4chan gamer dudes strike me as elliott rodgers types more than bro.

― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, September 5, 2014 12:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lot of nerds being labeled bro these days and its just not right not everyone u dont like exists on the hipster-bro continuum

Yeah, I agree with that. Many of the games are bro-y in various evident ways, and many of them (esp. shooters) are popular with bros, but it's not 1:1 at all, and I suspect a lot of the really distorted "never been out of the house" circles have relatively few bros in the room. But I really don't know. Like I figure WoW and Final Fantasy are less bro-y fandoms than CoD and God of War, right?

yeah it's kinda lol that these punks want recognition for their easily purchased AAA widely-advertised blando gaming habits; can you even beat hell in cave story+ bro?

If the internet has taught us anything it's that nerds are worse than jocks when given the chance

Thing is that jock types are generally dbags for a brief bout of junior high and into college and then they become normal dudes who don't even remember the people they pushed into lockers for better or for worse, whereas a lot of these nerds just spend the rest of their lives post-high school in a state of simmering hate and nursing grudges against a whole type of person that didn't "get" them back in the day or fucked with them.

"They thought the people who will die 500 times and keep getting back up in Dark Souls would fold" is priceless, so good it kinda has to be a parody.

That's the beauty of 4chan, you'll never know!

If the internet has taught us anything it's that nerds are worse than jocks when given the chance

OTM to the nth.

Yah also there are different jock types like some really great athlete ones that are super popular but also academically high achieving could be really nice to everyone, I think due to total self confidence and genial nature they have nothing to prove as having been totally successful on every level of high school from football to inevitably good looking and excellent student gf so feel no need to tear down others lower on totem pole. More borderline or dumb ones are more dangerous at time but tend as you say to verge into khaki dadhood and are probably chill dudes in their cul De sac

Also it should be said that lots of these nerd types really just despise and look down on pretty much everyone, and there's a partic strain of pseudo intellectual bs that differentiates them from actual "smart kids" and continues into adulthood.

where do mark cuban and steve ballmer fall on the nerd/jock/chillbro continuum?

Steve Ballmer is by most accounts just a spectacularly excitable weirdo

Yeah, you guys are talking shit about nerds vs jocks. What has happened here is that you're far closer to nerds, so you see every pockmark and dribble of sweat, whereas the jocks are off wayyyy over there and they look a whole lot better to you right now. If you like I can balance it out by posting all the craploads of stories about American college jocks drugging and raping women and getting away with it. But I don't think anyone really wants that.

Sadly misogyny is EVERYWHERE. It's not special to nerds or gamers.

Yeah, let's not become Captain Save-a-Jock - good point. I do think it might be useful to identify the specific strategies, channels, and rhetorical guises misogyny takes in these different circles though - your fedora-wearing, arms-crossed internet cynic nerd rationalizes misogyny through very different channels and rhetoric IME.

red bull seems to be doing its part to bridge the nerd/jock/bro divide:
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.jp/jp/magazine/digging-in-the-carts

I'm actually very close w people who were jocks. And nerds. I also have a very specific window into things here, which is first hand reading all the garbage emails and rape threats received by my female coworkers so yeah maybe I see it a certain way....

Or to say don't doubt that for every Zoe Quinn or Anita S there are 20 women who don't go public w stuff in games

Um, is that addressed toward me? Because believe me, I don't doubt it. Nothing in what I said implied that I doubted it. I have no idea how you could possibly infer that I doubted it.

Sorry u too many #notallgamers & #notyourshield crap this week, sincere apologies, I almost get used to things going aggro from the jump

Oh, no, the shit coming from the gaming world is very real and pernicious, obv. I'm just saying that there's real and pernicious shit everywhere else, too. It's all horribly, horribly depressing.

in england, certainly, the sort of people who will own, say, 'gears of war' swag, don't, i think, map onto either 'jocks' or 'nerds'. they might map onto 'people who have conversations about mobile phones'. i wonder how they map onto 'metal listeners'

i think the intensification of misogynist content in games rn is a bit like the intensification of misogynist content in 'rock' music over the period '70-'89, maybe, both seem an artifact of the balkanisation of a previously monolithic (or possible to treat as monolithic) audience

unclear perhaps whether god of war is at the 'virgin killer' or 'appetite for destruction' end of that cycle

i get the sense that jocks today are de facto gamers because madden etc... is part of their training protocols now. maybe in england it's different because there are no rowing simulators. fifa though...

these people wd play iss pro