Thraed of Chief Keef's "Bang 3" major label abum due in September

whiney-level argument by j0rdan here

it's weird to hear you of all people fetishizing how "weird" and "interesting" the production is

i'm not 'fetishizing' it, you specifically said he gets wack beats and you're wrong

To be clear, it isn't the sort of thing I'd wanting to be listening to very much, if at all. Especially the video, really doesn't look like anyone's having much of a good time...

i think those 12hunna songs play far too much into keef's formless tendencies... i think something like "pull up" is much closer to the stuff of his 2013 mixtapes that you didn't really like than you want to admit

I imagine Keef being sort of just pushed in front of the camera in his drug stupor, everyone making sure he doesn't fall over or pass out unconscious.

really doesn't look like anyone's having much of a good time...

Wouldn't be too interested in CK if he were having a good time.

the 12hunna beats are purposefully "interesting" but to what end?

who produced "jet li"? that's the best kind of keef beat imo. it's like a midpoint between the effects 12hunna uses and something like jim jonsin that forces him to use more structure

"bang bros" beat >>>> any of those 12hunna songs you mentioned

no

i think you're following some previous idea of how his best stuff is supposed to sound & not letting yourself be flexible enough for the new direction. the way 'make it count' works is esp clever, beat builds up this mood by adding elements over time, then dropping out and picking up again as if losing and regaining energy, it's very disorienting and immersive

the complexity of the drum programming in a record like that or 'hundreds' is to an end, they all hang together—listen to the kick drop on 'hundreds' dropping in triplet pattern, it's got this like nervous momentum while the melody twists around in this weird fancy, regal feel ... idk this is hard to describe, but this stuff is super unique...the only record that the 12hunna stuff reminds me of is meek's 'off the corner'

oh god 'bang bros' is a perfect example, you're looking for one-note euphoria whereas this stuff is much more about queasy uncertainty, ambiguity, uneveness

Love Sosa & Don't Like = Keef having a good time > *

well "bang bros" happens to be euphoric but i just think it's a much better production. i don't hear anything inherently euphoric in the production even though durk went there with it.

TBH I think his 2014 has been better than most competing artists.

he has depth as a rapper & isn't a singles machine.

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, September 3, 2014 3:37 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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― crüt, Monday, July 15, 2013 1:08 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what i LIKE about new artists like keef is that he makes popular rappers like Kanye and Pusha T, for example, seem old and dated. Kanye knows hip hop is all about staying new that's why he does shit like 808s and Yeezus. He has to go completely different otherwise he's gone and forgotten. For example TI was brave getting on a track with Yung Thugger, but he managed to stay with him and not get overshadowed and sound old. Unlike say, Tyga on hookah, who's style sounds really dated and prosaic next to YT.

you know whats a weird interesting song i fetishize

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqGycb6_GRE

curvy, colombian beats

man i'm surprised to hear tyga got upstaged on a song

its weird

"First day out" is so good moar gucci remakes plz

its' not about getting upstaged, he didn't get upstaged, that's to imply there was ever any fair competition. He was just an irrelevance. a style that was seen as cool and desirable to some people only a few years ago now ill-adapted to any song.

tyga is a dipshit

jeff weiss said he heard tyga's "yeezus album" as exec prod by kanye west himself so racoon tanuki may have to swallow his wors

no one ever liked tyga iirc

I'm ok w tyga in a boring generic way he doesn't sound old IMO (a la Ross and jeezy on finally rich) so much as tepidly regular. But it's not even distracting on hookah

Tyga isn't really generic imo because he always shoots for something beyond just competent with his flows and word choices and then falls somewhere below competent because he's a terrible vocalist who uses words he doesn't understand. it's like the exact opposite of capable unambitious Jeezy types.

you don't know 12hunna beats until you hear them on vinyl

― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, September 5, 2014 12:00 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

Lmao

more like 'til you hear them without dj hustlenomics dropping like 80 gunshots, airhorns, and dj effects on top of them'

but i know u just lol @ any deej clowning no matter how facile smh

It's holiday seaaaaasooooooonn

i am prepared to enjoy the work of 12hunna as new and distinct and beguiling etc it's just what idg is how the reasons for doing so are any less corny indie fuxxy than they were for 'citgo'

like we finally get the cis fka twigs we've all been waiting for let's hold hands and bask in the vibes w/o shame imo

It's keef, deej makes the rules we serve at his leisure

r|t|c
Posted: September 6, 2014 at 4:25:10 AM
like we finally get the cis fka twigs we've all been waiting for let's hold hands and bask in the vibes w/o shame imo

~_~

"As far as formal innovations go that abrupt hard filter thing that 12 Hunna does has been pretty underrated and totally physically brutal in the best way and I would not be at all mad to hear more of that in the new year."
noz, december 2013

i tend to agree with that

i am prepared to enjoy the work of 12hunna as new and distinct and beguiling etc it's just what idg is how the reasons for doing so are any less corny indie fuxxy than they were for 'citgo'

― r|t|c, Saturday, September 6, 2014 3:23 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol. citgo was C.I.F. bc it was a fairly marginal bonus track for him that wasn't even as big as "Kobe" or "They Know" but became this online rallying pt for the cloud rap contingent. dont get me wrong i like the song. but the argument im making for 12hunna's production is that it's kind of central to what he's doing right now, that it helps to organize a disparate selection of loosies if you find the constellation in the tracks & by & large I think 12hunna's sound has been a defining part of the '14-era Keef sound

Not at all opposed to calling him the cis fka twigs though

i tend to agree with that

― ANU (sisilafami), Saturday, September 6, 2014 12:42 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he's developed a lot since that point IMO...he's less going for brutal than a strange kind of looping disorientation ... idk sucks that the only youtubes has hustlenomics on them but the 4 12hunna tracks off top are 'shooters' 'make it count' 'hundreds' and 'pull up.'

bangbang

I love watching deej in the Keef threads because he treats every 6 months like Keef is moving from Revolver to Sgt. Peps

so much weed consumed, not even 20, funded by big corp. you have to worry for this kid. Saying that new stuff sounding like progression.

"All I Care About" sounds like the Farrah Abraham album

Saying that new stuff sounding like progression.

having a hard time decoding that post.

btw release date was moved back idk til when

I love watching deej in the Keef threads because he treats every 6 months like Keef is moving from Revolver to Sgt. Peps

― bozack horseman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, September 16, 2014 12:58 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for the past 2 years its been a perpetual game of ppl saying he was on the last of his 15 minutes yet he remains one of the only rap rookie able to push out major label albums, has sustained as one of the genre's most popular artists, and has continually evolved as a performer. u write mash notes to marginal heard-by-15-people cassette tape only releases so

has sustained as one of the genre's most popular artists

?? really?

able to push out major label albums

i'll believe it when this supposed second Interscope album actually hits stores tbh

he has been kind of impressively resilient on an "always in the top artists on livemixtapes" level but i mean 2 years ago you were saying keef-branded headphones were gonna be a big christmas list item