Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

good use of iso-cubes imo

took me FAR too long to realize that was a parody

how did you not realize the moment you got to "zoe quinn be arrested & tried to the full extent of the law for her duplicitous promiscuity and/or for really upsetting that developer guy"

seemed in character tbqh

"close down penny arcade as it is feminist" was the tell

i'm sympathetic to poe's law but c'mon

have those fucks weighed in on this at all? They seem to be forever discussing minutia of the most minor online gamer dustups in vicious form; i don't know whether not commenting or commenting stupidly would be more in character for them.
going in

she should be arrested and tried for duplicitous promiscuity??? "all games journalists to not be friends with other games journalists"?? the whole thing is obv absurd.

that's a parody yeah, but a quite subtle one.

have those fucks weighed in on this at all? They seem to be forever discussing minutia of the most minor online gamer dustups in vicious form; i don't know whether not commenting or commenting stupidly would be more in character for them.
going in

Them weighing in would accomplish nothing but drawing attention to themselves so I guess it's surprising they haven't shat a big mansplainy turd into this mess

http://social-justice-bullshit.tumblr.com/
http://irlsocialjustice.tumblr.com/
these are pretty funny too

or maybe serious. i don't know.

oh and penny arcade is doing PAX (which they're part of? Not part of? depends on if they said anything stupid lately) so i think they're low profiling it but the dog whistle inherent in
"PAX is a nice reminder of just how incredible games and gamers really are. I always come away from the show inspired by this community. "
is pretty clear

yeah, do not click on that whatculture article, it's super infuriating and awful, and it's broken u into a million ages so to read all of their bullshit you just give them even more clicks, fuck everybody

too late for me but aaargh yes

1. gamers are not a monolithic entity, it is dumb to say gamers are bad
2. people who disagree with me are clearly not gamers and are therefore not entitled to an opinion. i can tell this because because gamers are a monolithic entity and all think the same
3. in fact YOU are the real bigot for thinking that some games could deal with LGBT/women's/race issues/anything other than explosions and be appraised on different merits, did you ever think of that huh
4. x (which is y, and that is not made up it is a FACT) is in fact (did I mention FACT) y, namely here is a list of ways it is y, and in conclusion x is y

(OK pots'n'kettles here as I am ILX's most circularly tl;dr but holy shit tautologies)

i dont know why i noticed this first but "burpturds" is not a spelling error even though it does point out the username as a spelling mistake

there is a publisher called gamersgate, i bet they are not having a good time atm

"gamers" are not bad for the reasons you list but "gamer culture" is real and is historically pretty terrible in many ways

and i say that as a "gamer"

I went to QuakeCon twice in the very early 2000s

#notalllamerz

the problem w/ letting "gaming culture" mean white male asshole gamers that do misogynistic things is that it actually simplifies an always diverse gaming community and disenfranchises them from how they've historically seen themselves. all these articles keep positing this diverse gamership as being something new that is replacing "old gaming culture," but that's not true. gamers have always been a diverse crowd and only when focusing on a very particular niche of the gaming market (tho, in AAA FPS games the most profitable) does it make sense to talk about "gaming culture" imo. like, the first gamer i ever knew was my mom playing zelda on her NES and return to zork on her computer. i've played w/ card gamers and wargamers and board gamers and indie gamers and sim gamers and IF gamers and classic RPG gamers and tabletop gamers and they're all such diverse + robust communities. idk. this is nitpicking bc i assume when we talk here about "gamers" and "gaming culture" we all know who we're talking about (4channers), but this has been bothering me so i wanted to toss in my 2 cents.

one of the many issues here is that a very vocal minority (the one you call 4channers) is claiming that 'gamers' title as theirs and only theirs.

for sure, but they're wrong and we know they're wrong

there is a weird complex here where a lot of the douchebags went to war over who could and who couldn't be a "gamer" slightly before it turned into "SJWs are the enemy"

take on board what your saying but that storm will pass i'm sure

Pretty sure Davis Aurini will become a MP in rural Alberta in the coming 15 years.

I wish I hadn't posted that video of his upthread. I posted his whole playlist by accident, which embeds whichever video is newest, and I can only imagine what vile shit might appear on there. Do any of you have mod powers by any chance?

"TINY INDIE DEVELOPERS" was what gave it away for me, but I read the bolded part first and now I just want "G-DAY" to happen.

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/09/gamergate_explodes_gaming_journalists_declare_the_gamers_are_over_but_they.html

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/Authors/david_auerbach-authorbio.png
just another face in the diverse crowd

by which i mean to say that while a middle aged white guys opinion (mine included) isn't invalid, i would be interested in reading a few pieces from the pen of that diverse crowd of non middle aged white guy gamers who look at this situation any other way than "yeah, 'gamer culture' is a cesspool"

by which i mean to say GAMERS ARE NOT THE AGGRIEVED PARTY IN THIS FUCKSTORM

That article somehow manages to 'cover' the recent brouhaha without actually discussing gender, sexism, misogyny, death threats, Sarkeesian or Quinn. Kinda, uh, weird.

Also manages to attribute quotes to "Gamasutra’s Keza MacDonald", but if you follow the link it's a blog post which clearly states "The following blog post, unless otherwise noted, was written by a member of Gamasutra’s community. The thoughts and opinions expressed are those of the writer and not Gamasutra or its parent company." Which is a tiny detail, but if you're writing a lolgamejournalism article at least try and get the basics right.

by which i mean to say GAMERS ARE NOT THE AGGRIEVED PARTY IN THIS FUCKSTORM

i disagree. gamers are the aggrieved party. anita sarkeesian is a gamer. zoe quinn is a gamer.

and like, yes, i'm being pedantic but if you're going to ignore my point forks

#notallMordys

mordy... are you... deliberately ignoring that the mainstream majority video gaming world out there - from retailers to developers to advertising to websites and so on and so on and so on are 100% aimed at the specific gamer demographic we're talking about here

i'm not ignoring it at all. i'm questioning whether some of these memetic terms, 'death of gamers,' or just 'gamers' in general as referring to the most banal audience for the AAA video game industry, are descriptive or even useful.

dude, I'm not ignoring your point; in the essay you just posted sarkeesian and quinn are emphatically NOT gamers, they're the journalists and industry that are antagonizing presumably "real" gamers

also I'm gonna suggest that you consider that taking the "let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater" view on gamergate is a lot like taking the "well why did they take naked pictures of themselves anyway" view on the fappening: while you may well have a legit point to be made, you're aligning yourself with the worst possible people and intentionally overlooking all that groups immensely dumbfuck philosophies

like i don't know how "gamers" v. "SJP" became the rhetorical context for this debate - at least apparently in the rhetoric used by game journalism and brought onboard to ilx - but it's essentially ceding the argument to the "gamers." there isn't a "gamer culture" that is being attacked by liberal outsiders who want it to change. there is a gamer culture where some people in the culture are making a claim about what gaming means, and some other people are making another claim about what gaming should mean. and it turns out that the latter ppl - those making the critique against "gamers" - are making the historically (and currently) valid claim: gaming is an inclusive medium that spans a diverse group of gamers - and games that aren't recognizing that aren't representing those participants.

xp forks i'm not going to click on all these headlines but are any of them by sarkeesian or quinn? bc these are the articles he's responding to:

Such articles appeared concurrently in Gamasutra (“ ‘Gamers’ are over” and “A guide to ending ‘gamers’ ”), Destructoid (“There are gamers at the gate, but they may already be dead”), Kotaku (“We might be witnessing the ‘death of an identity’ ”) and Rock, Paper, Shotgun (“Gamers are over”), as well as Ars Technica (“The death of the ‘gamers’ ”), Vice (“Killing the gamer identity”) and BuzzFeed (“Gaming is leaving ‘gamers’ behind”).

SJP = SJW i meant

being a gamer isn't like a passed-on social status or genetic right. these people, who are in the hegemony, are outright saying these people are not gamers and that they are biased against said group

being a gamer is like being a reader. it's a kind of very loose diverse social community.

gaming is a diverse medium, except for the fact that the games that sell huge-ass numbers in the /gamer website/ demo are all the same shit

I mean, these people are not getting all aggro about Wii Fit

the term does not mean what you think it means it is not like reader.

ok but lol that's the point. it's a fight between the /gamer website/ and the /gamer website/ demo. that's why it's ridiculous that this pseudo-journalist community that has been catering the same juvenile Maxim-for-video games community for years is suddenly declaring that this is the "death of gamers." even when killing "gamers" they're still taking the hegemonic right of deciding who constitutes the gaming community. they're the problem in the first place.

gamers are ppl who play games. gaming is the act of playing games. games of all kinds are only getting bigger and bigger in probably every demo, even the bro gamer demo. even the weird incest game loving kotaku demo i bet.

i've always found 'gamer' to be like 'foodie' in that it's a weird and contrived way to distinguish one's identity from someone who's merely an enthusiast for an activity that pretty much everyone does, and the only way to really do that is to be obnoxious about it, or actually do it to a rarified level. so i'm kind of ok with 'gamer' being used exclusively for self-identified precious jerkfaces and actual professionals who compete, or like Billy Mitchell, both.

Mordy, I feel like you are using linguistics to muddy what EVERYONE IN THE WORLD UNDERSTANDS IN THIS CASE to be the referent of "gamer".