never gone near Mr saturday night though
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
I think WHMS kinda set the template for the modern romcom, but it's more emotionally subdued than most of the movies that followed (except for the "running to confess my true love" finale, which was a bit OTT even then, but I'm willing to forgive it because at least Sally isn't about to move to another country and Harry doesn't catch her at the airport as her flight is about to leave or anything), Crystal and Ryan have genuine chemistry, the "old folks reminiscing of their relationship" gimmick gives the movie a nice groundedness (something that wasn't used in most of its imitators), and in general the movie hits all the genre's sweet spots while featuring few of its more irritating cliches.
The only thing I don't like about it was "can [straight] men and women really be friends" debate that's both in the movie and was also sprung by it in the real world, because the idea that they can't is some essentialist bullshit. (Though to be fair to the movie, it never flat out states men and women in general can't be friends, just that these two can't.)
So yeah, if you like modern romcoms, I don't see any reason not to dig WHMS, because it has all that's good about them, and if you don't like the genre, well, what are you doing in this poll anyway?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link
I can't get past how uncharming Meg Ryan is, but I'm alone in thinking so: her appeal escapes me.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 18:58 (nine years ago) link
as a hetero man I cosign this sentiment
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link
everything about this movie rubs me the wrong way - the cheap appropriation of superior material, the grating leads, the cloyingly pat resolution
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:01 (nine years ago) link
if someone already had a masters in woody studies when it came out i can definitely see that being annoying
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link
the cheap appropriation of superior material
Huh? Isn't it done from an original screenplay?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:03 (nine years ago) link
there's a very strange meg ryan romcom where she plays a biker from the future sent to kill her ex. that one might be a good watch for harry haters?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:03 (nine years ago) link
that does sound p entertaining
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
idk what to tell you Tuomas the film p obviously lifts its tone, style, setting, themes, and comic delivery almost entirely from Woody Allen (and this key bit from Reiner's dad as noted upthread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=sxgnJVhKxxU#t=143)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link
but y'know minus the Jewy-ness and intellectual posturing and curdled mysanthropy
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link
yeah when i was a kid i think i just assumed that all movies set in manhattan had jazz piano and modest title cards and shit
― da croupier, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
delivery of "and I think jazz is STUPID" in that clip >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the entirety of WHMS
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
my sister went through a phase in the late nineties when she watched Forget Paris a lot.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 September 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
"I will defend WHMS on the basis that I've watched it a million times"
i see, Chauncey
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 02:05 (nine years ago) link
Chauncey von Poopandfart?
― a guy named Christian White who represents the typical white Christian (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 02:06 (nine years ago) link
answers i arrived at
The Miracle of Morgan's CreekTrouble in ParadiseThe Shop Around the CornerMy Man GodfreyLove Me TonightHis Girl FridayThe ApartmentThe Lady EveAnnie HallEternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
The Palm Beach StoryBringing Up BabySmiles of a Summer NightThe Gay DivorceeCity LightsIt Happened One NightA Summer's TaleThe Awful TruthLibeled LadyAdam's Rib
ManhattanNinotchkaUnfaithfully Yours (1948)The Marrying KindThe Philadelphia StoryAll of MePillow TalkSay Anything...To Be or Not to BeHeaven Can Wait (1943)
Seven ChancesMidnightChristmas in JulyDesign for LivingCluny BrownThe Nutty Professor (1963)Easy LivingThe Last Days of DiscoHolidayTaxi zum Klo Remember the NightThe Thin ManTampopoIt Should Happen to YouA Fish Called WandaKiss Me StupidBall of FirePygmalion"10"Theodora Goes Wild
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 02:14 (nine years ago) link
equally weighted, thought i voted for Shop Around The Corner but musta spaced it
bold means i liked it more than most
A Fish Called WandaAll Night LongAll Of MeBefore SunriseBull DurhamBut I'm A CheerleaderDefending Your LifeEasy AFriends With BenefitsHigh FidelityKnight And DayManhattan Murder MysteryMarried To The MobMr. & Mrs. SmithPygmalionRaising ArizonaRoxanneSplashThe 40-Year-Old VirginThe African QueenThe Princess BrideThe Sure ThingThe Thin ManUnfaithfully Yours (1948)When Harry Met Sally...
― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 02:24 (nine years ago) link
oh and it was the brangelina mr mrs smith, though i forgot to specify
― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 02:25 (nine years ago) link
Romance dead, comedy dying--not my favourite genre.
1. The Heartbreak Kid2. Broadcast News3. Breakfast at Tiffany’s4. Roman Holiday5. The Paper Chase6. The Graduate7. Annie Hall8. Married to the Mob9. The Wedding Singer10. Ninotchka11. Tootsie12. Woman of the Year
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 04:39 (nine years ago) link
My Man GodfreyHolidayShe's All ThatCity LightsThe Shop Around The CornerEasy AMidnight The Awful TruthHis Girl FridayScott Pilgrim Vs The WorldEasy LivingThe Lady VanishesClaire's KneeTwentieth CenturyAmelieRoman HolidayA Matter Of Life And Death The 39 StepsThe Palm Beach StoryBringing Up Baby
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 06:27 (nine years ago) link
Here's mine:
1. The Philadelphia Story2. Fucking Åmål (aka Show Me Love)3. Muriel's Wedding4. Clueless5. The Seagull's Laughter6. Groundhog Day7. How to Marry a Millionaire8. The Wedding Banquet9. Four Weddings And A Funeral10. Safety Not Guaranteed11. The Incredibly True Adventure Of Two Girls In Love12. Monkey Business13. Romancing The Stone14. Addicted To Love15. The Lady Eve16. Love And Other Disasters17. American Pie18. The Shop Around The Corner19. Happy Accidents20. Pillow Talk21. The Perks Of Being A Wallflower22. Trick23. As Good As It Gets24. There's Something About Mary25. Gentlemen Prefer Blondes26. When Harry Met Sally...27. The Tao Of Steve28. Green Card29. Bridget Jones's Diary30. Irma la Douce
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 06:31 (nine years ago) link
― Tuomas, Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:03
srsly, fuck non-expertise
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 11:34 (nine years ago) link
1. The Philadelphia Story 2. Working Girl 3. Ninotchka 4. My Man Godfrey 5. Moonstruck 6. Bull Durham 7. Groundhog Day 8. Roman Holiday 9. Roxanne 10. Some Like It Hot 11. Harold And Maude 12. Tootsie 13. It Happened One Night 14. Pat And Mike 15. Murphy’s Romance 16. Scott Pilgrim Vs The World 17. The Princess Bride 18. The Thin Man 19. When Harry Met Sally... 20. The 40-Year-Old Virgin 21. Sleepless In Seattle
― Malibu Stasi (WilliamC), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 12:16 (nine years ago) link
Trouble in Paradise 1932The Shop Around The Corner 1940Annie Hall 1977The Lady Eve 1941His Girl Friday 1940Roman Holiday 1953The Palm Beach Story 1942Love in the Afternoon (Wilder) 1957Ninotchka 1939City Lights 1931The Miracle of Morgan's Creek 1944Forgetting Sarah Marshall 2008Bringing Up Baby 1938Desk Set 1957Say Anything... 1989L.A. Story 1991
30s 440s 550s 360s 070s 180s 190s 100s 1
― alanbatman (abanana), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:02 (nine years ago) link
annie hall? really?
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:05 (nine years ago) link
Would have easily been my #1 if I'd voted.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:14 (nine years ago) link
it was a foregone conclusion that it would win imo
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:21 (nine years ago) link
bcz both people who do and don't gen watch films before 1987 have seen it
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:22 (nine years ago) link
Maybe the issue is that it doesn't seem like a very typical romcom?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
i mean, i like the movie, but it's so... earthbound compared to so many other films that made the list.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:26 (nine years ago) link
^^^ding ding ding
ballots reflect this p clearly
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:28 (nine years ago) link
it's so... earthbound compared to so many other films
idk what you mean by this really. it's departures from reality are frequent and numerous
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:29 (nine years ago) link
we're dealing with a poll where 9 people voted for the #1 pick and 7 voted for #10 so I wouldn't bother reading too deeply into the tea leaves re: a big comedy director's best picture winner taking the top spot
― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:30 (nine years ago) link
not looking for a flight to the moon on gossamer wings
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:30 (nine years ago) link
Morbs is still waiting for his Wiener King.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:32 (nine years ago) link
you'd think morbz would be thrilled ilx voted a woody allen #1 even after the earlier hullabaloo
― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:39 (nine years ago) link
we're dealing with a poll where 9 people voted for the #1 pick and 7 voted for #10 so I wouldn't bother reading too deeply into the tea leaves re: a big comedy director's best picture winner taking the top spot― da croupier, Wednesday, September 3, 2014 3:30 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― da croupier, Wednesday, September 3, 2014 3:30 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
good point.
by earthbound i guess i just mean... it's an amusing character study. sometimes very amusing. but compared to a lot of other films on the list it seems very conventional, complacent even.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:40 (nine years ago) link
but you know taste etc.
but i think it'd be hard for me to understand someone who would put it in the league of something like "his girl friday" which on the level of performance and pacing is such a miracle.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:41 (nine years ago) link
but what da croupier said, really
but compared to a lot of other films on the list it seems very conventional
This seems like a surprising thing to say about Annie Hall but I'll admit that there's a lot I haven't seen on the list.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:44 (nine years ago) link
not conventional compared to motherfucking When Harry Met Sally
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
yeah I don't really get calling it conventional - its structure and pacing is p unusual
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
but compared to a lot of other films on the list it seems very conventional, complacent even.
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― a guy named Christian White who represents the typical white Christian (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:51 (nine years ago) link
comfort yourself that Groundhog Day didn't win, a great comedy THAT IS NOT A ROMANTIC COMEDY
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
And fwiw (not much) I don't put Annie Hall in the same league as His Girl Friday.
― a guy named Christian White who represents the typical white Christian (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
the fact that it's about a couple that split and move on to plausibly more momentous relationships also seems less than conventional for a rom-com
― da croupier, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:54 (nine years ago) link
it's an anti-romcom bc the misanthrope doesn't get the girl at the end, he just gets to be miserable, desperately trying to figure out how to recreate magic that is permanently gone from his life
― Mordy, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
When I saw Annie Hall on release, it definitely felt like no film I'd ever seen before. I was 16, mind you, and everything seemed new, but Annie Hall still feels unique 37 years later.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 21:00 (nine years ago) link
yeah i guess you're right. it just feels kind of uninspired compared to some of the other films on the list, but looking at the full list i suppose it doesn't qualify as 'conventional'
sry
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 3 September 2014 21:04 (nine years ago) link