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yep, you sure got me. how awful of me to hope that artists I find promising go on to a successful career.

Surely there's a msg borad for HR consultants somewhere?

it'll turn out that ag cook is a figure of the patriarchy, using hannah diamond for as much as he can wring outta her before dumping her on the kerb as soon as the contract from universal's in front of him, and boy howdy how silly we'll feel then

either you're deliberately trolling at this point or you've got some bet going to prop up as many straw men as possible

simply posting out of frustration that you'd reduce a collaborative piece of music to a projection of gender bias that you've admitted yourself is just a hunch, in order to find fault with it

really hannah diamond should come on right now and speak for herself

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you're right, no one should find fault in any music ever

i mean in an ideal world she would, i'm not being prescriptive :P

"hey qt" is atrocious

yep

Yeah

find this stuff pretty cynical regardless of the transmitted earnestness in the uh artist statements

cmon katherine, that's a weak argument!

srsly, defend the idea that this music lacks merit because the singers are reduced to the level of cipher (any more so than in music you enjoy) - go on

don't really need a mediated layer between me and pop music

isn't there always one?

when you don't explain yourself you're "intellectually decrepit" and when you do explain yourself you're "the most repulsive thing I've ever read" so no, I get enough fucking hate mail as it is to invite more

so you're admitting to being hackshaw?

excuse me for not loading all hundred-and-something previous posts of this thread to copy and paste the exact way I was insulted

isn't there always one?

yeah but it's not totally necessary to the music functioning at all?

i didn't insult you, i merely said your statement was repulsive. possibly overdoing it a bit. everything aimed at hackshaw stands, though, unless hackshaw themselves can explain it in a way that makes any sense at all

it's possible to take this music at face value - when i opened up the youtube initially i did so purely within the context of it being music recommended by ppl i trust

well bc that level of mediation is embedded in the music. this is pop but fuckkkqqqqqkked upppppppp mannnnnn, JUST LIKE POP AND CAPITALISM ACTUALLY ARE

it's not that fucked up! it works as pop imo

wasn't insulting you, just saying the things you say are repulsive and intellectually decrepit!!

it's possible to take this music at face value - when i opened up the youtube initially i did so purely within the context of it being music recommended by ppl i trust

it's also possible not to 'take it at face value' so not sure what yr point is

in what universe is "the most repulsive thing I've ever read" not an insult?

as far as explanation, I've already explained myself at length, multiple times (including in a review with a 6/10 score! which is above average!) and do not feel the need to do so again when, as I see it, one side of the "argument" is "I do not hate this music but have reservations about it, which I will now calmly explain" and the other side is "YOU REPULSIVE CRETINS HOW DARE YOU DISLIKE THIS GENIUS SONG."

it's not even genius, it's just kinda catchy and clever, well made

my argument is not with you disliking it or the fact you have reservations, it's the way the reservations have been expressed, within what i regard as a lamentable stardom/success narrative

hackshaw's intellectual decrepitude is a different matter entirely - calling this music 'insensitive' is absolutely preposterous and after hackshaw failed to respond to my initial challenge i felt i'd up the stakes a bit

i'll take back 'possibly the most repulsive thing i've read on ILM in a very long time' though, because that's almost certainly a gross exaggeration

as far as explanation, I've already explained myself at length, multiple times (including in a review with a 6/10 score! which is above average!) and do not feel the need to do so again when, as I see it, one side of the "argument" is "I do not hate this music but have reservations about it, which I will now calmly explain" and the other side is "YOU REPULSIVE CRETINS HOW DARE YOU DISLIKE THIS GENIUS SONG."

from that description I'd say that this music passes the pop test with flying colors (nb: I haven't listened to it yet)

i'll admit my previous post was a little (read: a lot) off base, imago. I've enjoyed "Pink And Blue" previously which is exponentially more heartfelt and irony-free than this new one. I feel as if the nudge and wink is lost on "Hey QT" to the point where it comes off as slightly cynical, and yes, insensitive. take that as you will

faaaair enough well i'll disagree on the word itself but that's a dignified response & i shall retract some of the more vituperative language aimed your way

why do you guys have to over-intalectualize everything? i thought this website was called "i love" music

yah bummer thread but fwiw i luv QT's one song b/c it's fun and silly and i can enjoy it both ironically and sincerely, and rlly it's been p funny to see all the 'serious techno' and pop critic types going into conniptions over it

it's not that fucked up! it works as pop imo

― imago, Tuesday, September 2, 2014 5:07 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

since when has whether something "works as pop" been important to you?

(and it doesn't really)

(it doesn't work as a "deconstruction" of pop either; pop is a pretty good genre at regularly "deconstructing", refracting and commenting on itself, but of course if you don't like or don't listen to mainstream pop you wouldn't know that, so of course you'd think this was something really clever)

A great new Mike Paradinas mix which has a handful of these tracks with a bunch of Planet Mu stuff

I think it works best in a mix like that. ie other non-pop (as Lex insists) non-dance electronic music.

defensive overreaching itt feels like ppl street teaming for a middle tier streetwear brand that recently gifted the emperor with some new threads

some truly grody posts imo

Thread is setting some new records for ad hominem attacks I'll give you that.

why is sparkling future pop sensation qt addressing qt in "hey qt" idgi

Some of the greatest records ever made are completely banal but that banality needs to be delivered with sincerity rather than with a knowing smirk.

Nah, there's plenty of good records that are banal and smirk.

yes but it's 2014 and the knowing smirk is the new sincerity!

i love this stuff

fwiw, the 'possibly most repulsive sentiment I've read on ilm for a while' was in fact inspired, I now confess, by a slight misreading

it's still bad imo (how can you presume to speak for hannah diamond & judge her success on such material terms as well as atomise what was clearly a thoughtful collaborative process into 'producers & singers' acting individually for their own ends) but it is true that a lot of individuals working in the pop industry (which PC MUSIC is tangential to) are exploited for their talents while not receiving the plaudits they might deserve (i can imagine this happens to a lot of women)

I read your post initially as judging the artistic success of the song on how famous & minted its singer got, which is obv repulsive but not quite what you were doing - judging it, however misguidedly, on how exploited the singer seems is much fairer

this has obv cut deep so seems fair to clarify

Phil Sherburne weighs in - http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/485-pc-music/

I got nothing from that article; it just kind of explained what it is and how other people feel about it in a very music-writerly way but didn't really say all that much

Well, "weighs in" is probably the wrong phrase for that link. Maybe Sherburne writes profile with faint praise, says they are not the worst, would have been more accurate.

lots of controversy in RA forums over this sort of stuff

RA forums might actually be the worst tho.

The artwork for this stuff is pretty awesome. Really digging the stuff on Hannah Diamond's web site too. Haven't heard the music, not really planning on it bcz I genuinely don't care for "actual" chartpop

if you don't care for actual "chartpop" you are the target audience of this music, you might as well give it a shot

ugh, the RA comments on Ben Aqu@'s mix are so terrible/hilarious.

this is a pretty good read: http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2014/09/23/350580589/a-rational-conversation-is-pc-music-pop-or-is-it-pop