the genre known as dubstep - search and destroy

in fact i think he lays it on a bit thick with the aquatic theme!

back off dude, that's someone else's terrtiory!

I'm not really sure if its deliberate or not.

Braille Diving is one of my newer favorites of his, the synths on that remind of Avalon era Roxy Music for some odd reason.

He's one of those guys I have to respect for all the effort he puts in, but I still only end up liking like every third track he makes.

That ratio's been getting higher though.

What I meant was I'm not sure if he's deliberately trying to cop Drexciya's thing or not.

Theres a clip of Braille Diving at Boomkat if you're interested.

Ooooooh.

Ammunition and Blackdown present: The Roots of El-B

After the Roots of Dubstep, a process which was a total joy to do, compared to dealing with 679 for Run the Road 1, I began to wonder how the compilation could be furthered. “The Roots of Dubstep 2” would have been easy to do, but would it have been better? Instead I decided to build out the El-B section, to focus the whole next compilation on him. Of the three founding trinity – El-B, Zed Bias and Horsepower – the latter two have CD albums you can find. Yet El-B’s peerless material, as Groove Chronicles and as part of Ghost, is scattered across 40 or so obscure and long since gone white labels. The El-B LP never happened: I have a recording of the DAT of what did get done, but in truth his best work came out on the 12”s. The plan is to pull them all together. As I said on Radio 1, this is unfinished business.

http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com/2007/08/seven-years-after-gorgon-sound-benny.html

Quite liking these new Hyperdub L.V. sides. Very Rhythm & Sound! Also excited about the new Bug and Flowdan thing, "Skeng".

the new dubstep allstars by ntype starts off really well, quite a bit of energy, but then it slides into dead-step sounding stuff which just sounds like producers really not wanting to venture out of the genres trademarks at all.

Yeah I couldn't be bothered to even download it. I've been liking some of the more cross-over-ish type dubstep stuff (that Geiom track with Khaled is particularly nice.)

Haha I guess I am liking the stuff that sounds more like digital dub (which is not too surprising I suppose.)

I can't find the grime thread but: grime got banned from rinse :(

did grime get banned from ILX too?

Why did it get banned? And is anyone listening to grime anymore?

i keep reading the posts on dissensus all excited where everyones all excited but cant say much of it seems all that good. especially when half of it seems really dubstep-influenced (but less boring obv) and not very hyper anymore. the eski beat artists are meant to be good but ive not heard them.

the new dubstep allstars by ntype

Isn't really new, stop chatting shit as usual.

xpost. Grime is already unbanned from Rinse. It was just because of the behaviour of certain MCs, little rap on the nuckles from Geeneus.

half of it seems really dubstep-influenced (but less boring obv) and not very hyper anymore
You couldn't be more wrong. For different reasons. Dubstep is too hype at the moment if anything. Lots of really jump-up tracks, too many really. Halfstep hegemony, which never really existed fully, is completely done with (really, actually try going to a dubstep dance or listening to a recent dubstep record, or even just listen to that N-Type mix you mentioned, "Make me", "Punks", "Kalawanji 2", "Crunked up" all come in the latter part of the mix, not exactly "deadstep"). Not much grime that sounds like your made-up idea of dubstep either. Too much that's trying to sound like hip-hop and only succeeding in being boring. But there's still hype stuff. Logan Sama Kiss FM show from the other day with Skepta, JME, Badness, Ghetto and Wiley touching mic, ridiculously hype:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/x1bkhu

The crossover of Benga and Coki's "night" (see Benga's myspace) is cool but has came a little late because the tune has been ridiculously rinsed.

Is "Night" the track on that extremely overrated Doogz EP?

"Isn't really new, stop chatting shit as usual."

might not be new but its the last one in the dubstep allstars series.

Is "Night" the track on that extremely overrated Doogz EP?

I've not heard Axiom but I know Goodz spits over Coki's "Shattered" on it. Not sure about "Night".

Oh actually, Night is on Benga's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/bengabeats

I still listen to the Newham Gens sets on rinse they are awesome although tubby spins dubstep mostly I guess.

Also I think the Grime people are finally starting to become aware of what "bait hip-hop" is doing to their scene.

rinse podcast = classic

"I make the best grime music. Some man run up in the booth and lose it. Start spittin like dipset, d-block and g-unit"

Classic.

Skeng!

Chef: Hi Benga!
Benga: Hi Chef - let me play you this new tune I did yesterday...
*plays new dubplate*
Chef: That's great - it sounds like an ancient bass ritual filtered through millennia of urban decay.
Benga: So..should I release it?
Chef: Nah mate, it's been rinsed.

xpost. Just bought it. Bigness.

Doctor can't fix you send fi the 'earse.

Is the new Boxcutter disc -- Glyphic -- any good?

have not heard it yet... anyone else feeling pinch's "underwater dancehall"?

Pinch mix here (i think, there is slight confusion as he's also down as doing the non-downloadable show the week before but it does say 'DJ Pinch Mix Oz tour 2007' in the track listing):

http://www.garagepressure.com/podcasts.htm (Friday 9 Nov 2007, Part 1)

Underwater Dancehall on my wants list. am slightly dubious about the vocal cd though. nice to have the choice, i guess.

Hatcha's mix on the 10 Tons Heavy comp is rather good, only Planet Mu stuff but a lot of that's favourites of mine anyway.

Shackleton mix on MAH last night as well (starts about half way in):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/maryannehobbs/

spongebob is boring.

Is the new Boxcutter disc -- Glyphic -- any good?

YES the boxcutter album is really fucking good. If only Baz were a londoner instead of a nth irelander...

...the pinch one is choice too. Weird though cos most of the vocals don't work with the tunes and most of the tunes sound empty without the vocals

don't think anyones nailed the dubstep vocal sound yet. It's not dub poetry , it's not hibbada hibbida drum n a bass, it's not ragga inflected toasting. I thought that 'Various' had on 'Hater' but no one seems to have gone down that trak unless you count the burial/jamie woon thing and now we got britney appropriating the wobble...

...fun times indeed

one you should checkout is 'Space and Time' the 'scuba' compilation. Some of it is pretty hit and miss but it's a good current perspective on where the scene is at now...hotflush/scuba and dub police are more my dubstep yardsticks than hyperdub or dmz

plus it's got my dubstep tune of the year on it...vaccine_wishful thinking

the richie spice vocal/refix worked brilliantly...

the pinch album is properly overated. seems slightly tepid.

Tempa 032 is going to be D1 "I'm loving". Funky house/dubstep crossover business, more of this please. http://www.myspace.com/d1dj (titled "The way you love me rmx" on the myspace player).

YES the boxcutter album is really fucking good. If only Baz were a londoner instead of a nth irelander...
Stop talking shit.

shut the fuck up jim ya troll...

...don't even think for one minute if baz came from sth london and burial from nth ireland that it wouldn't be boxcutter being championed as the incarnate soul of dubstep pushing boundaries while burial would be some wierdo tinkering away on long dead music

I downloaded the new boxcutter off of emusic today. it sounds really great on headphones out in the sunshine.

"rusty breakz" and "foxy" are my favorites so far. Comparing him to other dubstep producers seems a bit wrongheaded, he sounds like four tet with more low end.

> spongebob is boring.

have just heard this (garage pressure, 16th nov, part 1) and have to disagree 8) made me sit up and listen.

I downloaded the new boxcutter off of emusic today. it sounds really great on headphones out in the sunshine.

I downloaded it from eMusic, too, largely as a result of your recommendation, Pollywog. So far, I like it. It sounds more electronic-y (even jazz-y) than dubstep-y to me, if that makes any sense; I guess another way of saying that is that -- unlike, say, Burial -- the Boxcutter disc does sound good "out in the sunshine," which is why I see it somewhat different from a lot of other music in the dubstep genre (on the other hand, I just may not know enough about the genre yet).

...don't even think for one minute if baz came from sth london and burial from nth ireland that it wouldn't be boxcutter being championed as the incarnate soul of dubstep pushing boundaries while burial would be some wierdo tinkering away on long dead music

You're a clown.

Kode 9 is from Glasgow and seems to do pretty well for himself.

I'm sorry if I'm overreacting but really ilm has had more than enough sorry one-trick ponies pushing sectionalist bullshit interests and ideology rather than actually saying anything about music. Ya basta.

boxcutter seems more like milanese, sort of on the periphery of dubstep, but obviously paying attention to it, more obviously on certain tracks than others. not heard the new album but the last one wasnt bad. the last milanese album on planet mu is worth finding though. some really good production on there.

Do you mean this Milanese disc? This line, from the AMG review, caught my attention: Dubstep "is apparently hip-hop with dancehall reggae flavors and tech step dexterity. Or something like that."

so D1 is doing more house? interesting. that 'it will come' track on his myspace isnt too good IMO but the way you love me isnt bad. it samples some old 70s soul song i cant put my finger on. kinda cheesy though - id like to hear more funky house made using dubstep sounds/sensibilities if thats possible rather than dubstep guys just switching full-on to funky.

daniel, i mean 'extend', yeah.

Scary cover image. A song on their MySpace page -- Matt Burden Sex Tape -- is downright frightening!

I'm sorry if I'm overreacting but really ilm has had more than enough sorry one-trick ponies pushing sectionalist bullshit interests and ideology rather than actually saying anything about music. Ya basta.

fine, then say something about the music then...

"ilm has had more than enough sorry one-trick ponies pushing sectionalist bullshit interests and ideology"

not like you of course, right?

^^^^ die you cunts?

Titchy, go start a thread asking people how to live your life instead of shitting this thread up?

Pollywog, go tend to your sheep or whatever?

Wow. The violence that's hinted at in Burial's music is directly on-the-table in Milanese's MySpace songs. Interesting in terms of the variances between artists working in a genre (and maybe a bit off-putting, for me, with respect to Milanese's music, but I'll try again).

I saw Milanese once and it was awful. Clunking, lumbering rhythms and all the mid-rangey distortion your ears need to make you deaf for a week. Not recommended.