thought it was brave in that it remained imo a polemic Against this stuff but also thoroughly understood+communicated its power -- not just superficial attractions like hookers and blow but the power to lie your way to a new self, to conjure up yr desires with words that you read off paper like spells. that last shot of the expectant, yearning faces, the congregation. no one knows how to love+hate a church like a catholic.
otm. terry southern supposedly told kubrick that eyes wide shut would play better as a farce and kubrick freaked out. i'm glad marty doesn't have to be told.
― da croupier, Saturday, 23 August 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link
it's just funny that martin scorsese has been making comedies about psychopathic american behavior for forty years, all full of uncomfortable improvisation, and the same concerns and grievances come up each time like he's suddenly gone sour
― da croupier, Saturday, 23 August 2014 16:34 (nine years ago) link
this is a guy who had robert deniro harassing liza minnelli over and over and over for minutes at the beginning of his homage to studio musicals
― da croupier, Saturday, 23 August 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link
Now THAT was funny!
― It's Autumn Sunrise (Eric H.), Saturday, 23 August 2014 16:39 (nine years ago) link
it was! uncomfortable sure, but i guarantee scorsese was laughing, seeing how long they could keep the scene going
― da croupier, Saturday, 23 August 2014 16:42 (nine years ago) link
saw the quualade scene again, never noticed before how the number of stairs keeps changing
― da croupier, Saturday, 23 August 2014 16:49 (nine years ago) link
sorry i mean qualudde
I do wonder about the film's potential to serve as a training manual for Future Douchebags of America.
Don't forget Douchebags from Overseas coming to NYC assuming this is how they're gonna live.
― the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy), Saturday, 23 August 2014 17:11 (nine years ago) link
There's a great Paul Haggis / Iñárritu comedy-drama to be made about some UAE bros who divide into ISIS soldiers and Wolf of Wall Street disciples.
― the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy), Saturday, 23 August 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
btw the moment i finally decided to see this movie was vgrrl's post
one of my favorite scenes/moments that has been stuck in my head for the last few days is when Leo's first wife finds him in the limo with the duchess chick, when they're standing on the sidewalk in front of the hotel/casino and there's that repeated shot of them from across the street where it's just this huge wall of reflective brass and windows and lights and him looking defeated and her with her hands on her hipsI love it― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:53 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I love it
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:53 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but i had to rewatch it to notice it's trump tower
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 23 August 2014 19:45 (nine years ago) link
― the one where, as balls alludes (Eazy)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKcAYMb5uk4
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 August 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link
i think everybody recognises this film's 'badness' - it is a brash film almost fully dedicated to cataloguing badness
yeah very obv not what i fucking meant
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 August 2014 23:40 (nine years ago) link
its a movie that villainizes its characters for ignoring the humanity of others while ignoring the humanity of its characters, i know this is just a huge opening for someone to be all dont you see thats the whole point meta commentary etc but no its just bad writing
― lag∞n, Tuesday, December 31, 2013 9:22 PM (7 months ago) Bookmark
I cant believe this weenie liberal who talks about loving capitalism all the time and glued a dildoe to his ipad so he could suck its dick, is crying about how the humanity of rapacious monsters is being shortchanged.... you stupid fucking jew devil faggot
― Hungry4Ass, Sunday, 24 August 2014 14:15 (nine years ago) link
pfft ur a stupid jew devil faggot
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
and fwiw i wasnt crying or moralizing abt it, the characters are just generally flat and not very compelling in this movie
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 14:55 (nine years ago) link
except this guy
http://i.imgur.com/k4ApTOw.jpg
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 14:56 (nine years ago) link
like he had some idiosyncratic qualities that are the markers of a real person the rest of them were just lazy types
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link
I think they're flat, but only in the sense of a panicked avoidance of any inner life at all.
― ryan, Sunday, 24 August 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link
even people who have a panicked avoidance of any inner life at all are more interesting and varied than the characters in this movie
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link
i dont doubt the book the movie is based on is bad in that sense too but still
Like, couldn't you say this about dr strangelove? It's a mean dark comedy mocking those who may destroy us
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:02 (nine years ago) link
imho the mode dr strangelove was made is quite different than this movie
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
Why should there be a tender scene of Donnie painting to suggest an inner life worth exploring
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:04 (nine years ago) link
man have u ever considered writing scripts
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:05 (nine years ago) link
I can think of lots of great films where the main characters shut themselves off from the world to the point of willfully killing off whatever inner life they might have--Shoot the Piano Player and The Conversation are the first two I think of--but I don't think that's what Ryan means by a panicked avoidance of any inner life at all...I'm not quite sure what that means.
― clemenza, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:05 (nine years ago) link
None of your business
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:05 (nine years ago) link
Xpost
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:06 (nine years ago) link
Is it the same mode as king of comedy? Can I compare those movies?
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:07 (nine years ago) link
No
― 龜, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:07 (nine years ago) link
please proceed governor
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:07 (nine years ago) link
i totally get that if you aren't laughing 3 hours of this movie is murder, but exploring the "humanity" of these characters just feels beside the point
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:09 (nine years ago) link
yes it isn't fair to the people it villainizes. it's a mean comedy.
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:11 (nine years ago) link
maybe humanity was the wrong word, how about "characterness" they were not great characters, very 2d and not in a good purposeful way
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:11 (nine years ago) link
more in a this world is not fully realized sort of way
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:12 (nine years ago) link
It's been too long to give specific examples, but what I meant is that I got a sense from the movie of an inner life being suppressed at certain points--something the characters themselves seem unaware of. If nothing else that sense put the flatness into relief.
― ryan, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:12 (nine years ago) link
i mean, yeah, if you're not laughing you want more anything. but if you're laughing and accepting the thesis this is like someone saying frank drebin could use more detail
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:13 (nine years ago) link
xpost
it's not willful, I don't think. It's just the stimulus-response pattern of addiction shorn of romantic/existential overtones.
― ryan, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:14 (nine years ago) link
i dont think the movie succeeds on its own terms, which fwiw i also dont think are the same terms as the naked gun movies
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:15 (nine years ago) link
what's a movie you think succeeds on the terms of wolf of wall street
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:15 (nine years ago) link
Same point as lag∞n. I didn't want these characters to be humanized in a Lifetime movie sense--god, no--any more that I'd want that of Travis Bickle or Jake La Motta or Tommy DeVito. I just wanted them to be interesting movie characters, not schematic blanks.
― clemenza, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:15 (nine years ago) link
i enjoyed a lot when i saw it in the movie theater but it didnt really grab me when i watched on the plane, it still had a lot of great moments but its a little bit samey as far as the plot, like its mostly them living the highlife and nothing really dynamic happens plotwise or tonewise for most of the movie, i dont think its gonna have the endless tv rewatchablity everyone was predicting
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
― da croupier, Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:15 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
boiler room lol jk
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:19 (nine years ago) link
i dunno man i can rewatch a chunk of that Beach Boys tv biopic anytime its on I can rewatch a chunk of this
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link
but what will you do when the commercial break
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link
quaaludes
― Peeking at Peak Petty (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link
change the channel or look at my phone, the world is mine
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link
maybe post here about how you are wrong
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:26 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/gr0wwZX.jpg
― lag∞n, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
tbf i would probably not endlessly rewatch this outside of paycable tv-wise, like most scorsese it would get a little
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n-rGnI9XNo
― da croupier, Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
so ive always suspected croup prefers chunks to films
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 24 August 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link