Watching the baseball game with my dad tonight, I had to teach him what a shortstop was. He knows absolutely nothing about baseball. He asked me what would be considered a good pitching performance and I told him that 7 innings with less than 2 runs is, rule of thumb, a pretty good pitching performance.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 16 August 2014 04:25 (nine years ago) link
Cool story VHS.
I told him that 7 innings with less than 2 runs is, rule of thumb, a pretty good pitching performance.
Make sure to tell him you know a place where people take days debating the validity of such statements. (True of baseball fans in general.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 16 August 2014 13:19 (nine years ago) link
and it ends.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 17 August 2014 01:11 (nine years ago) link
Felix, Kluber, Kluber, Felix?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/will-the-al-cy-young-voting-reflect-that-the-race-is-dead-even/
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 14:55 (nine years ago) link
i knew Kluber was having a good season – but had no idea it was *that* good. where the hell did this season come from anyways?! his minor league numbers gave no real hint he was this type of pitcher.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link
Sorry, fellow Jays fans; tonight I root for Felix.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 23 September 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
i'm rooting for a 1-0 10th inning J's victory.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 23:36 (nine years ago) link
oh. just turned on the game - J's already scored.
Chris Mosch, BP:
The rare implosion by Hernandez resulted in not only the most runs he had allowed in a single inning this season, but also the most he had surrendered in a single game all year. The eight total earned runs Hernandez gave up tied a career worst for the right-hander and his ERA jumped from a league-leading 2.07 to 2.34.
Not only did Hernandez’s worst outing of the season drop the Mariners three games behind the Royals for a wild card slot with just five remaining, it also loosened his grasp on the Cy Young Award race, which he appeared to have all but wrapped up a month ago. After last night’s start, Corey Kluber holds a 2.39-to-2.60 FIP advantage while pitching just three fewer innings. Last night’s blowup by Hernandez also narrowed the gap in ERA between the two, despite Hernandez pitching in front of a much better defense and to a superior receiver behind the dish. Cleveland’s ace will have a final chance to sway the voters Saturday night against the Rays.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 12:27 (nine years ago) link
If I were voting for any award that came down to two closely matched players, and one of them was having a potentially fluke year and the other had a well established level of excellence, I'd always vote for the established player. But at this point, Kluber has probably pulled away enough that I'd feel okay voting for him.
― clemenza, Saturday, 27 September 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
klubes has more fWAR than kershaw (by 0.1)
hughes and lester have more than felix
what a disappointing second half
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 27 September 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
ERA *really* sucks as an "authoritative" stat.
Hernandez has a chance to take the AL ERA title Sunday. A scoring decision Saturday charged Hernandez with an error in Tuesday's 10-2 loss at Toronto, a play originally called a hit. The change removed four earned runs from Hernandez's record, dropping his ERA from 2.34 to 2.18 going into his final start of the regular season. Chris Sale of the Chicago White Sox, who made his final scheduled start Wednesday, leads the AL at 2.17.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 September 2014 15:31 (nine years ago) link
Watch him throw a no hitter today!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:16 (nine years ago) link
It has its limitations, like any stat. Here, I think for the opposite reason of what I'm guessing is behind your post (that it's not right that an seemingly arbitrary ERA title may get Felix the Cy Young): how that one lousy start obscured Felix's great run earlier in the year, and after being thought of as the best pitcher in the league for most of the season, his ERA crosses paths with Kluber's and now he's no longer the favourite. (I.e., if he was the best pitcher before that one start, isn't he still the best pitcher after it? It's one start.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link
i really dont give a shit about the Cy Young
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:26 (nine years ago) link
"like any stat"
you really just... nm
You're always saying you don't care about stuff you clearly care about, else you wouldn't post so often about them--awards and the HOF at the top of the list.
― clemenza, Sunday, 28 September 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link
And here I thought you guys would be complaining about the "narrative" events of the past week and how they will impact the voting:
-- Felix the clear CY winner, with Kluber right behind him-- Felix blows up against Toronto, Seattle tanks their playoff chances, Kluber dominates in his final start and is looking like the frontrunner for the award-- Oakland continues sucking, game 162 somehow ends up mattering for Seattle, Felix gets a shot at redemption for his team and a chance to upstage Kluber again
So Felix went from pariah who choked away the CY, to ace pitcher making the most important start of his career, all in less than a week.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 28 September 2014 17:01 (nine years ago) link
He was removed from the game as soon as the A's won.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 28 September 2014 22:00 (nine years ago) link
Aahhh - that's what happened.
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 28 September 2014 22:54 (nine years ago) link
Close to a coin flip--for every point you make on one side, there's one on the other. I looked at the game logs and totaled quality starts using the same definition as Felix's streak: 7+ innings, 2 or fewer runs (earned or otherwise).
Kluber: 19/34Felix: 22/34
Kluber wins on WAR and FIP, Felix on ERA and WHIP. Innings, they're separated by one out, K/BB and run support are also almost even. Kluber had the better September, for sure (after a poor start to start the month), and seeing as both teams were chasing a wild-card spot, I do think that matters. I'd probably vote for Felix for the reason I gave earlier: all things being close to equal, I'd rather vote for the established great player.
― clemenza, Monday, 29 September 2014 12:59 (nine years ago) link
Runs allowed depend on too many factors, so I like to look at Game Scores to get an idea of a pitcher's dominance.
Turns out that's more or less a wash too -- Kluber has more dominant starts (GSc > 80) but also more bad ones (GSc < 50), whereas Felix was more consistently good.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 29 September 2014 13:50 (nine years ago) link
is this Cy Young going to com down to fielding? because that would be awesome!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 29 September 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link
three words for you: arm wrestling contest
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 29 September 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
many cy youngs have come down to fielding bcz era is a team stat
which is why i vote for kluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuubezzzzzzzzzzzzz
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Monday, 29 September 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
i would vote both Cys by FIP this year since Hamels is not in the NL top 5
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 September 2014 16:33 (nine years ago) link
4th youngest to 2000 K.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 10 May 2015 22:25 (eight years ago) link
Feller, Seaver, and Clemens the others? (Or maybe Blyleven.)
― clemenza, Monday, 11 May 2015 00:24 (eight years ago) link
Only one of the four correct.
― clemenza, Monday, 11 May 2015 00:25 (eight years ago) link
tied with orel for 70th all-time
at 29
― mookieproof, Saturday, 23 May 2015 01:16 (eight years ago) link
Ryan surely
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 May 2015 01:31 (eight years ago) link
wow
Houston - Bottom of 1st SCOREFelix Hernandez pitching for Seattle SEA HOUJose Altuve Strike (foul), Strike (foul), Altuve reached on infield single to shortstop 0 0Preston Tucker Ball, Ball, Ball, Ball, Tucker walked, Altuve to second 0 0George Springer Ball, Ball, Springer doubled to right, Altuve scored, Tucker to third 0 1Evan Gattis Gattis grounded into fielder's choice to pitcher, Tucker and Springer scored, Gattis safe at second on throwing error by pitcher Hernández 0 3Colby Rasmus Ball, Ball, Strike (looking), Strike (foul), Ball, Ball, Rasmus walked 0 3Carlos Correa Strike (looking), Strike (swinging), Ball, Foul, Ball, Strike (looking), Correa struck out looking 0 3Luis Valbuena Strike (swinging), Valbuena homered to right center, Gattis and Rasmus scored 0 6Chris Carter Strike (looking), Strike (looking), Carter singled to left 0 6Jason Castro Ball, Strike (foul), Castro homered to left, Carter scored 0 8Jose Altuve Beimel relieved Hernández, Strike (looking), Altuve grounded out to shortstop 0 8Preston Tucker Ball, Strike (foul), Ball, Tucker singled to center 0 8George Springer Strike (swinging), Strike (swinging), Strike (swinging), Springer struck out swinging 0 8
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 13 June 2015 01:34 (eight years ago) link
The hell happened.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 13 June 2015 03:49 (eight years ago) link
His bad stretch this year guaranteed it wouldn't be one of his better seasons, but he was great last night, and he'll end up with one of those filling-in-the-scenery type years that adds to his bulk numbers and strengthens his HOF résumé. Also making progress towards 300 wins, which, if it ever happens, will make him the latest guy to win 300 after it was obvious there's never be another 300-game winner again.
― clemenza, Friday, 11 September 2015 12:59 (eight years ago) link
I was surprised to see that he has 17 wins -- the second highest total of his career -- and has a good chance to win 20 for the first time. I wonder if anyone will write that Felix finally learned how to win (for a mediocre Seattle team that won't come close to making the playoffs) rather than only caring about his personal stats.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 11 September 2015 23:28 (eight years ago) link
highly doubt felix will approach 300
felix is an interesting case. on one hand, he's been a poster child for the sabermetric movement almost since he broke into the league. on the other hand, a lot of his value comes from the old fashioned sense of being so durable and an innings-eater; his per-inning numbers are not really that special
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Saturday, 12 September 2015 02:38 (eight years ago) link
For the HOF, I imagine Felix will be fine with 225-250 wins. By the time he comes up for induction (2030 or so), pitcher wins will be a quaint relic.
I think he has a decent chance, though. He'll have 143-145 at the end of his age-29 season:
Clemens -- 152Maddux -- 150Seaver -- 146Sutton -- 139Carlton - 133Glavine -- 124Ryan -- 122
(No point in even listing Johnson, who didn't have his first really good season until he was 29.) I know that covers different eras, and that at least a couple of those guys go back to 4-man rotations. But he's in line with Maddux and Glavine, and much closer to the former than the latter. If he can bounce back to last year's form, he has a shot; if this year is the beginning of slow decline, no.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 September 2015 13:14 (eight years ago) link
Or let's say bounce back halfway; last year was good enough to be something of a blip.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 September 2015 13:22 (eight years ago) link
Felix is going to the bullpen. Servais informed him before the game.— Ryan Divish (@RyanDivish) August 10, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 10 August 2018 05:44 (five years ago) link
I had no idea he'd been declining so badly
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/exile-for-king-felix/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 August 2018 14:04 (five years ago) link
at least he got that funny strikeout of beltre the other day (before beltre went deep on him) : /
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 August 2018 14:05 (five years ago) link
figured this day was coming but it sucks that it happens the one year the Mariners are actually kinda good
this sorta happened to Verlander too but he bounced back, maybe there's hope for the ol' King. he's only 32!
― frogbs, Friday, 10 August 2018 14:07 (five years ago) link
Gets a spot start tonight because Paxton is on the DL
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 August 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link
Should have been traded at the end of the 2016 season. He’s been worthless this last couple years.
― brotherlovesdub, Monday, 20 August 2018 20:02 (five years ago) link
felix hernandez, 2016-2019
434 IP, 77 GS 26-31, 4.79 ERA, 4.96 FIP, 4.43 xFIP, 1.36 WHIP7.44 K/9 (19.1 K%), 3.27 BB/9 (8.4 BB%)
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 12 May 2019 15:16 (four years ago) link
so what you're saying is that he'd be the no. 1 starter for the 2019 orioles
― mookieproof, Sunday, 12 May 2019 18:56 (four years ago) link
Since his debut in 2005, Félix Hernández has made more starts at T-Mobile Park than any other pitcher at any single ballpark. On Thursday, he will make his final start of the season at T-Mobile Park. More: https://t.co/91j2vZb9lf pic.twitter.com/Lq4dX4IV5u— MarinersPR (@MarinersPR) September 23, 2019
Seattle's first glimpse of King Félix. 👑#HappyFélixDay #TBT pic.twitter.com/fsxOEAAFUo— Seattle Mariners (@Mariners) September 26, 2019
― Andy K, Friday, 27 September 2019 00:10 (four years ago) link
is he officially retiring – or is everyone just assuming he's done?
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 27 September 2019 01:27 (four years ago) link
Likely done with the Mariners. He has said that he doesn’t want to retire.
― Andy K, Friday, 27 September 2019 02:31 (four years ago) link