― ()ops (()()ps), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― sleep (sleep), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link
Its interesting to often see otherwise open-minded forward thinking people dismiss the entire category of dance music including old disco, house, etc., IDM (even the term suggests that regular dance music must be dumb), and all sorts of electronica. Origins/reasons for this behavior? And how much does it annoy you?
XPOST to the person who asked how to define "disco":
The origins we've been speaking of so far are mainly the late 70s glutton of disco produkt... however, since she did bring up dance music in general.. feel free to interject in whatever context of dance music you feel is worth noting, since Susan opened it up so.
― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link
lots of xposts
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link
Sorry to say. I'm just saying that out of taste though. I still manage to find the gems in the very large haystack, but that wall of old used disco records is still, to this day, a very large haystack.
― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link
i think drew daniel talked about his Disco awakening after an adolescence revolving round the hardcore scene in his Invisible Jukebox.
― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link
That's because there has never been any credible evidence that these have ever really existed, any more than hatred of any other random genre. They were never an organized movement like Disco Sucks was; in fact, I'm a little confused about why they're even on the same thread (despite the fact that I believe a lot of techno and house IS disco.) Hatred of Ashlee Simpson has more in common with Disco Sucks than, say, Eminem pretending that "nobody listens to disco" does.
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link
Most common rock song for teens in the '70s: "Stairway to Heaven"!
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link
Today, "Authenticity" means "being able to play one's instruments and sing live and write one's own songs"... whereas in the Disco era, "Authenticity" meant "being able to showcase one's musical talents outside this very specific circus of fashion and flash that was mostly gawdy".
Because no one can say musicians who played on disco records lacked talent..
Then again "talent" is a highly mutable term as well...
etc.
― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link
I wrote a pice sorta related to this a couple years ago. I remember Ewing liked it so I maybe it is ILM-worthy.
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/columns/resonant-frequency/08-14-02.shtml
(archive messed up but text is there.)
― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― susan douglas, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link
But I think the anti-disco lobby would point out that those musicians were playing in a robotic and repetitive way - approximating "machines" and/or synthesizers, which is part of why the disco debate is a specific product of it's time (and not just another example of logocentrist values at work).
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link
I guess, but why would they say that when there's so much evidence that that's complete bollocks?
Maybe more interestingly, why would they say that when Born in the USA, which sounded exactly like the large machines in the factory I was working in at the time, was less than 10 years away?
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link
True. Although the Studio Hack Guitar Solos so prevalent at the time now seem much, much more faceless than synths.
― mike a, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Susan Douglas, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link
My grandparents and mom were the ones who INTRODUCED me to "I Feel Love"! They thought it was cool and exciting.
― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link
Walter Hughes' "In the Empire of the Beat" (from Andrew Ross and Tricia Rose's Microphone Fiends: Youth Music and Youth Culture anthology) has loads to say about the intersection of gay culture and machines (particularly in re: gyms and working out and clones and whatnot).
Bizwise, disco helped sink the music industry for a few years--there was such an excessive supply comparative to the demand of the audience. Labels figured they could print money by putting out loads of the stuff and there were enormous financial setbacks as a result. This is discussed in detail in Love Saves the Day by Tim Lawrence, which is a key book for all discussions of '70s disco.
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link
This is interesting (and I'd admittedly never thought of it before), but I don't know what it would have to do with how, say, straight midwesterners *viewed* gays. The claim that "there are a host of reasons why some people don't like machines which are related I think to why those same people don't like homosexuals" sounds completely absurd to me; believe me, at a time when mid-Americans had no idea the Village People or Queen were gay, I doubt it occured to them that some gay people might have worked out a lot on bench-press machines. But maybe I'm missing something; if so, I'd like to know what. (I mean, obviously, lots of album covers by Silver Convention or Bionic Boogie or whoever juxtaposed machine visuals with gay visuals, but these were pretty subcultural records; Bob Seger fans never saw them.)
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link
I heart this book.
― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link
BTW, another great book I just read: The Fabulous Sylvester by Joshua Gamson, extremely well written and full of amazing, deeply researched detail about black drag in L.A., San Francisco during the '70s, and how people in the disco world dealt with the fallout. Similarly, there's a new book about Chic called Everybody Dance that's not so well written but has a lot of great info.
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link
And I mean those LATER Silver Convention albums (e.g. *Madhouse*), after they stopped having # 1 pop hits (though I doubt very many people bought the albums with those #1 hits on them either, actually.)
xp
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link
please don't go - kc and the sunshine bandrock with you - michael jacksoncall me - blondiefunkytown- lipps incupside down- diana rossanother one bites the dust - queen
so disco ws displaced by, um, disco, basically
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king's x, faith no more, janes addiciton, and living colour had already displaced hair-metal on MTV and the charts before grunge came along, michaelangelo. the cause and effect thing was a total myth...
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link
"The disco department was renamed the dance music department. It was an issue of semantics. All this music was happening, but we couldn't call it disco." Caviano started giving interviews saying, "It's dance music! It's dance music!" while simultaneously blaming the media for disco's decline.
― Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link