Britney Spears is an Idiot: SHOCKER!

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If she criticised him there would be lots of cynicism round here too

Actually, you couldn't be more wrong about that one Julio, she'd have shot up in my estimation exponentially - it would have been a genuinely brave and surprising thing to say whereas no-one's suprised or cares if some tit like Thom Yorke or Damon Albarn does it.

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

Dixie Chicks to thread!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing; it's a matter of thinking. She openly said she'd rather not. That is idiotic, and calling it so, is not misognystic in the least.

David Allen, Monday, 8 September 2003 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

''Actually, you couldn't be more wrong about that one Julio, she'd have shot up in my estimation exponentially''

er, have you actually read the threads on some of the 'left' wing bands round here keith?

jess: no I don't. But she has always been a pop star first.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:25 (twenty years ago) link

TS: imaginary misgynony vs actual condescension

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:29 (twenty years ago) link

What right wing opinions has Jaz Coleman spoke about?

Rabid Rob, Monday, 8 September 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

Nothing recently, although he's expressed some frankly bizarre conspiracy theories in some recent interviews.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

she has been doing the pop star thing all her life so is her opinion (that we shouldn't criticize bush) surprising?

she maybe wrong but an idiot?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:36 (twenty years ago) link

Perhaps "idiot" is a relative term here. From the perspective of the left, she comes across as an unquestioning pawn (i.e. idiot), whereas if you were a hardline conservative, you might wish she was a bit more eloquent in her espousal, but generally think she was on the right track.

That said, however, I still think "idiot" is applicable due to her adherence to supporting "EVERY decision" by the President. That doesn't show any deep understanding or concern about specific issues, but rather a voluntary decision to let someone else sweat the hard stuff and not get involved...or even informed...at all.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

David Allen, OTM.

Oh, and Gang of Four album covers to thread.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 16:25 (twenty years ago) link

She should make out with Condi onstage

Sam J. (samjeff), Monday, 8 September 2003 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

"me and tipper against the music"

RJG (RJG), Monday, 8 September 2003 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

Jesus god you people are actually arguing semantics of whether or not Britney is stupid or just all of her opinions are stupid=just name the board ILArguing and be done with it already.

More pix of Bush throwing dogs!

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:00 (twenty years ago) link

''just name the board ILArguing''

its taken you three years to figure that out? you must be stupid ;)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

More pix of Bush throwing dogs!

OTM.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

Julio, you're a misogynist!!!!!

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

If Britney is an idiot does it change anything? Then let's move on.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

I like candy bars
and baseball cards
and superstars
Grace Jones and a pack of Twix
and pack of Donruss '86

I like candy bars
and He-man
and motor cars
Skeletor and the Milky Way
and a rat-tat hot-rod Chevrolet

Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 8 September 2003 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

ally- and you're a pop star!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

what if Britney was being sarcastic? or at least making a deliberately inane response after the Dixie Chicks fiasco? she's a smart lady!

stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:18 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.dianfossey.org/greatgorillarun/gorilla1_new.jpg

"STAND AND DELIVER!"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

A winner is Alex!

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

i'm not sure that's a real gorilla

stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

keep in mind that rather than expressing her deep-seated opinion on this issue she was just as likely expressing what she thought (right or no) was the safest, least prickly opinion possible... as i imagine after 10+ years of popstar grooming she has learned to. i would imagine it's almost a reflex at this point.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

expressing what she thought...

I think the point is that she wasn't really thinking anything. She's letting that genius George W Bush do her thinking for her.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

he was the voice in her head quietly whispering 'put out to Justin, go on, it's okay, we can keep the charade up for another 2 years after'

stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link

she should have said "I think we are all in agreeance that we should just trust our President in every decision that he makes, and we should just support that."

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 8 September 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think even Bush is capable of the intense evil that is Brit fucking Fred Durst, though.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 8 September 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link

she was thinking abt giving the safest ans. and she gave that.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 20:34 (twenty years ago) link

she's v smart.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 8 September 2003 20:40 (twenty years ago) link

i agree with julio's first statement, at least.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 8 September 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think Brit's statement is dumb at all ... I think Americans have the right to expect that our elected officials can handle situations and are more equipped to do the right things. Second-guessing is entirely an American thing, I understand. But we're also a republic, not an egalitarian society, and Britney at least understands that.

That said, surely you hope she's right in her adherence, though at $87 million and no international support, it's looking pretty f'n precarious.

Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

You missed a few zeroes there Chris.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

or just the common cold

Felcher (Felcher), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

this thread is like a crap circus

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:37 (twenty years ago) link

"Honestly, I think we should just trust our President in every decision that he makes, and we should just support that."

vs.

"I think Americans have the right to expect that our elected officials can handle situations and are more equipped to do the right things. Second-guessing is entirely an American thing, I understand. But we're also a republic, not an egalitarian society, and Britney at least understands that."

?????

ro otm

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

I think the real idiots here are the ones working at CNN. They don't have to put stupid bullsh!t on the air, you know, we have plenty of networks not masquerading as news channels that could have handled it.

daria g (daria g), Monday, 8 September 2003 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

slow news year...

stevem (blueski), Monday, 8 September 2003 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

Guess I did miss a few zeroes. Make that $87 billion!! :-)

Chris O'Connor (Chris O'Connor), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 01:07 (twenty years ago) link

i dunno, but defending britney's sage political stance strikes me the same way as a guy who just went to a prostitute and talks about how he can tell she really felt something with him.

lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 02:43 (twenty years ago) link

Girolamo so wins this thread

David Allen, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 02:55 (twenty years ago) link

I particularly hate this thread because it brings out and magnifies the misogyny, snobbery and envy which characterise ILx at its worst.

"Honestly, I think we should just trust our President in every decision that he makes, and we should just support that."

I don't see why this statement is idiotic. Bush was democratically elected, Florida chads or no Florida chads. That implies that for the period of his tenure in office the electorate have no alternative other than to trust him; otherwise they would not have elected him. If they do not trust him they have the opportunity to elect somebody else in next year's election. That's how democracy works. What problem does anyone have with this, exactly? What do any of you suggest should be done instead?

And I would incidentally point out that the virulent opinions expressed here about women, pop music and ordinary people in general are very much in keeping with extremist Republican thinking.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 07:51 (twenty years ago) link

doesn't the quite high non-turnout in US elections represent the awesome power and political effectiveness of those "voters" implicitly banding together behind the following platform?:

"it is more intelligent to distrust the machineries of democracy as they currently function"

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:07 (twenty years ago) link

Upon a wave of such "intelligent" distrust, Bush surfed into Pennsylvania Avenue and thence to Basra.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:17 (twenty years ago) link

exactly marcello

(sorry, i wrote my question in the most contorted order possible, i haven't had enough coffee yet)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:25 (twenty years ago) link

Bush was democratically elected, .... That implies that for the period of his tenure in office the electorate have no alternative other than to trust him...

That's bullshit. Any elected official needs to get feedback from the public. We don't just elect them and forget about it until the next election.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:42 (twenty years ago) link

Elected officials do not require feedback from the public, only votes. Or: you get what you (don't) vote for.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck that shit. They can't govern in a vacuum.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 08:57 (twenty years ago) link

in a system of representational democracy, officials are put in office to act as they think fit — ie within a pre-agreed constitutional framework of rules they must not break, we cede TOTAL authority to them

the mechanism of feedback is the threat of not being re-elected
the sanction (should they break the rules) is not being re-elected

it's up to them whether they slavishly chase public opinion or ignore it

marcello is quite correct in stating that absolute trust in the elected official is no more ridiculous than absolute trust in the system: the alternative — this is probably actually happening on a widespread scale in the US and actually has done on and off since it was founded — is a practice of "i only have to obey the laws set in place by the officials *i* have voted for"

once this practice reaches a certain critical mass, the result will be civil war => britney's statement *in itself* is no more absurd than the statement "i prefer the system as it stands to civil war"

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:09 (twenty years ago) link

Civil war of course would lead us back to the Baghdad conundrum anyway - "OK, we've got rid of him, what do we put in his place?"

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 9 September 2003 09:11 (twenty years ago) link


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