Radiohead can do anything, oh yes they can?

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Next album should be a 40 minute cover of Ying Yang Twins' "Wait"

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 28 April 2005 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

..for xylophone and theremin.

mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 28 April 2005 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

JONNY GREENWOOD - Superhet Popcorn Receiver

trappist monkey, Thursday, 28 April 2005 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

ILM has come a long way since these 2001 posts....

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 28 April 2005 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, joking aside, thanks to alex in manhattan's post above I discovered Soft Machine. It's pretty good!

sleep (sleep), Thursday, 28 April 2005 13:37 (nineteen years ago) link

They ought to drop the political "we're all doomed" schtick and the cod-IDM stuff and just go for full on Tom Waits apocalyptica.

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

oh please

rizzx (rizzx), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
Radiohead are consistently (and, I would say, justly) acclaimed for their sonic experimentalism, but what occasionally grates is their unwillingness to experiment with the emotional palette they explore. Rather than incorporating brass bands/gamelan orchestras/gangsta rap/whatever, why don’t they try experimenting with the emotional spectrum? After all, there must be some fairly joyful aspects to being a multi-millionaire rock star enjoying the acclaim and devotion of a massive world-wide fanbase? Are they really going to go on consciously despairing of life into a comfortable middle-age?

dave marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

It worked for Pink FLoyd?!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

true

chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Then we need a new Pistols - sort it out Pashmina.

xpost.

david marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link

They're a pretty joyous bunch onstage, a couple of them are doting parents, and though there may be some self-deprecation in their interviews and public persona I'm sure they're artistically satisfied with their achievements. So I don't think they're really despairing of life, or they don't have any material reason at least. However, the kind of emotional palette you seem to be talking about, a simple personal misery, they moved past years ago. A fair amount of their songs are political - and who writes happy political songs? Is being a millionaire and having trouble relating to people mutually exclusive? Does having millions of fans ease an existential or spiritual conflict? Is it any less artifical to force your work in a direction that you don't really feel affected by than to continue working on material that you generate naturally, that you feel a real sense of connection to? I know I'm just projecting, but really, if you're that bored by it.... I do get an impression of energy, of creative joy from their music - it is alive and emotional and doesn't seem at all forced. From their recent studio blog posts, it seems they're pretty satisfied and fulfilled by their material, and having fun at the same time. If you're not picking up a wider range of emotion than conscious despair, maybe you need to listen a bit more closely.

D.J. Andesron, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link


I'd prefer a new Van Der Graaf Generator or a new Magazine to a new Pistols, TBH.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Although I agree that r-head can be a bit one-note emotionally, on record at least.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd love to see them develop a sense of humor.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I think that DJ Andesron is pretty much right on, but I'd also like to note that Yorke is most often just trying to write lyrics that are suitable to the compositions that they've written.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

i find 'we suck young blood' and 'drunken punchup at a wedding' to be humorous, if not quite funny.

for real.

Gregor Vox (Gregor Vox), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Quite frankly, their sonic shifts make their emotional monochromism much more interesting to me.

Dan (And So On) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd love to see them develop a sense of humor.

Talk about missing the point.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

That song about "woke up sucking a lemon" was an attempt at a funny, yeah?

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

"I'd love to see them develop a sense of humor."

me, too! and they're fans as well...
they all seem to lack it.
mostly you get a 'radiohead's gawd, and there's no way around it' sorta thing, which gets really old, really quick.

eedd, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link

As far as I can see the only humorless people here are the ones complaining that Radiohead/their fans lack a sense of humor.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I always thought the "they take themselves too seriously" dig was cherrypicked crap.

If someone like David Byrne or Mark Mothersbaugh had written a song with the chorus: "I'm a reasonable man, get off my case," methinks it would be regarded as witty/homorous/whatever. Plenty of examples of the same type of thing.

In general, though, the humor is in bizarre turns of phrase: "her hitler hairdo is making me feel ill" is damn funny. Not all humor involves punchlines. I'm not saying they're the next Jonathan Richman, I'm just sayin.

erklie (erklie), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, homorous

erklie (erklie), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

They're fans of what?

Dan (Grammar Humor) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:57 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, I really wouldn't label Radiohead's lyrics as being humorless. There's definitely a lot of dark, dry humor in a LOT of their songs.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

They're fucking rubbish at pop songs these days though.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned - ouch!

The main point I was making is that their rampant and admirable experimentalism might be also applied to exploring emotional tones beyond the already exhaustively explored nuances of alienation etc, and that being wildly successful and acclaimed for over 10 years might have, you know, cheered them up to the extent that they might feel able to musically explore different the lighter side of life without compromising their artistic integrity.

"However, the kind of emotional palette you seem to be talking about, a simple personal misery, they moved past years ago."

The recent material still sounds fairly downbeat and glum to me, sorry! Thing is, Thom has talked in interviews about wanting to celebrate both the “highs and lows” of everyday life, and I don’t really hear much celebration of the former, despite their having becoming the most acclaimed band on the planet.

"Does having millions of fans ease an existential or spiritual conflict?"

And millions in the bank don't forget - well, err, sorry but yes, I genuinely imagine it would bolster the ego somewhat, reconcile you to the world to certain degree, and generally take some of the edge off your existential angst – who knows, it might even nudge you towards the occasional joyful moment which you might then occasionally reflect in your music, rather than remaining emotionally monochromatic. Even if they weren't feeling on top of the world, they might want to try writing something joyful just for the hell of it, just for the sake of experimenting.

Re the supposedly funny/humorous aspects to Radiohead's music/lyrics - I must confess bafflement. I love comedy, and indeed the darker the better eg Monkey Dust and Peep Show, but the supposed 'humour' in their work is clearly too subtle for me insofar as it doesn’t make me laugh. That is what humour is supposed to do, right?

FWIW just in case anyone interprets this as random hating, I should make it clear Radiohead are easily my favourite band, and that I just wanted to voice an honest criticism.


dave marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

They're fucking rubbish at pop songs these days though.

I'd like to suggest that the fact that they don't have scantily-clad girls singing in unison on their refrains doesn't mean that they don't do pop songs anymore but I'm afraid you'd hit me.

Dan (There There Is A Fantastic Pop Song) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I do like how the opener for this thread is that Radiohead could do ANYTHING. What did they do? Boring mush. Way to go guys! Confound those expectations!

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm really unclear as to how this joie de vivre should manifest itself in their music. Should they sing about circuses? Cute kittens?

How many bands really sing about being happy and joyful anyway?

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Plenty of bands make emotionally uplifting music - have you really not come across any of them?

dave marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't listen to Christian music.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

(joke, but honestly, no not really... haven't come across many bands singing about the joys of life that I find worth actually listening to)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"Emotionally uplifting" isn't always the same as "happy and joyful", though, is it.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean the most emotionally uplifting piece I can thin k of is Shostakovitch symph 13 "babi yar" and that certainly isn't happy or joyful.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha! Fair enough Melissa!

dave marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

"Emotionally uplifting" isn't always the same as "happy and joyful", though, is it.

No, it isn't the same as emotionally depressing either.

dave marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link

The most emotionally uplifting, happy and joyful music I can think of right now is Parliament, are you a fan Melissa?

dave marsh, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, if Radiohead ever made me actually *laugh* via their music I'd be concerned.

There is humor, but I prefer the dark and subtle strains of it, the vaguely absurd.

I don't see what the point of aiming for actual laughter would be. It would just be distracting and weird, some goofy or overly joyous song sitting in the middle of one of their albums.

Radiohead themselves are pretty silly though, and I'm absolutely sure they don't take themselves nearly as seriously as most people seem to think they do.

They find joy in the act of exploring and creating interesting music, I think that's enough.

(x-post, no)

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link

D.J. Andesron OTM.

not song, album, band, genre, music can be everything anyway.

not that i'm a big fan of RH, but what sort of criticism is it to say that a band doesnt experiment with enough emotional variety (even if it WAS true in this case, and it may not be)?

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I laughed at the 2001 post suggesting they hire Bobby O and cover Divine disco hits. But when I thought about it all I heard in my mind was Erasure. When I thought about the recent "more humorus" thread at first I came up with Zappa, all those insufferable bathroom jokes and the just plain stupid ditties they played between their really cool numbers. But I like dave marsh's pointing to Parliament as a funny dance band model, however I'm having a hard time hearing radiohead/funkadelic in my head. What I came up with sounded like Benny Hill fronting New Order.

JB Young (JB Young), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to see them write more than one good song per album.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to see people come up with something more interesting to criticize them over than what Alfred just said.

Dan (Let It Go Already) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, that's really where the matter ends for me, Dan,OK Computer excepted (it's got many good songs).

"Good Radiohead song" = Thom Yorke's dystopian mewling subsumed by atmospherics and ugly-loud guitars.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Did they have scantily-clad female singers doing the refrains back on Pablo Honey?!

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

No. This is one of the many reasons why Pablo Honey is awful.

Dan (Unforgivable Album In Almost Every Regard) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha. Aha.

When did they last write a pop song? Something that a busker could cover?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

There's plenty a busker could cover on Hail, but if they don't want to that's their deal. (And frankly given my experiences with the buskers in London I'd actually give them some money if they did that if only to feel relieved it wasn't Bob Marley, David Gray or Coldplay.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:17 (eighteen years ago) link

When did they last write a pop song? Something that a busker could cover?
Did the definition of pop change while I was asleep last night?

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 19:21 (eighteen years ago) link


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