sounds of SANTANA vol. LVCMXXXXXIVIII

in the new paradigm, iTunes and the like can be seen as UPS or something. Just the means of delivery. If labels really focus on downloads, then that's what they'll be promoting. Rough Trade is selling mp3s, Other Music will soon as well...but the thing is, even with "well curated" stores...part of why things are curated is because you can only carry so much stuff. Online outlets like iTunes and eMusic can carry everything and anything. I know people at eMusic try to influence you like a good old indie-store clerk, so that element is there. Is Other Music going to carry (tries to think of something totally unhip that can't be justified by Other Music) downloads just because it can? I don't know, but even if they do, they won't focus on it.

But even iTunes "curates" with what it features...but it's a big service with wide appeal, you're not going to see the Urinals on the front page. For the record they've hired quite a few hipsters to help organize stuff, like in their ultimate mix-tapes section where you can get just the basics or dig deeper, they have some people who know what they're talking about. But you're not the market for them for the most part.

As to whether labels can get smart about it, we'll see. The question to me is still, are enough people going to pay for it?

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UTD:BENEATH THE ODD-EDGE SOUNDS TO THE TWILIGHT CONTRACT OF THE BLACK FASCIST/THE WEALTH OF THE PENETRATION IN THE ABSTRACT PARADIGMAS OF SATAN

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but to what msp was getting at: thats the trouble. if lables go down the tubes with shops, someone has to take their place...and we cant go leaving that to bloggers, now, can we?

were beginning to get a bit misdirected here and this might best be taken up over in ilm (were it not overrun by youknowwhats), but Dan, how do you look at marketing/promoting in a dwnld and self releasing marketplace...(still easier for a label than an act alone)?

and now youve half gotten to it

apple is clearly in the business of making itunes totally lifestyle based, and therefore slighty more aware of how to push records than most labels.

ive been wondering recently about the labels and outlets that clearly understand what the record buying public wants

Labels aren't going down the tubes unless people totally stop paying for recorded music. And if labels go under, a lot of artists are gonna wonder where they're going to get their advances from. The labels aren't the curators as much as the press I think...it's just the lazy press that depends on the labels so they can say "everything on such and such is good". If the whole music industry was just 1,000,000,000 myspace artists, it'd be up to the press to help tell people what's good. And maybe as listeners we'd pay that press to curate that shit for us, or maybe we'd pay someone else to curate it and help us obtain it, like say, a label.

Marketing and promoting in this scenario is easier for the label because they're more easily able to create a brand. If I started a myspace page and put up some music, I'd just sit around waiting for people to discover my site, and if I wasn't connected to the press, I'd have to work my ass off to get it out there. I guess that's why labels are and will still be important. The label picks out the artist, stamps it with that seal of approval. I'm honest when I talk to people now, if you want to you can cut out the middle men and offer music for sale directly. But how many people will it reach. And if you were to say chose me as your middleman...is there anything I can offer that might get you more attention? Like access to press, like access to people who trust my taste, like access to fans of the other music on my label...these are the things that the label is good for. That and money.

I dunno, I'm finishing my site soon, it's not much but I think it'll be good, and we'll see how some of these releases go is the most I can say.

ben, I know I got us into this conversation, but at this point I'd probably not want to discuss it in the wider realms that is ILM! For various reasons!

for probably the same reasons and concerns (also i wouldnt want you to feel pressured talk to directly about plans being put in place -- was more interested in general perspectives)

well, with the way the economy looks from my angel, dominique -- esp once all our dads get into the retirement -- were going to have to have day jobs and prayers w/our music and/or other persuits. but im feeling damned pessimistic about the future of the world this week.

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seems like pre-download, nobody was getting rich off of indie stuff. same with record stores. the general vibe is: enjoy the blessings of the thing while losing your shirt. granted, whereas at one point they could sort of half survive, now it's total brokedom. it's also hard to acertain anecdotal evidence of some folks.... "oh it's downloads!" ... meanwhile you look at what they're releasing and it's all either awful or what's becoming less and less relevant to the NKOTB.

i agree totally with the itunes = UPS analogy... even tho amazon wants in and you know they'll turn their "customers who bought bang tango also bought the marine girls" tech on first chance they get.

i wonder how insound gets in on the action? it'd be interesting if emusic/itunes/etc would give % cut to mp3blogs linking to their wares. that's basically a small record store in a nutshell.

joel, i know i don't say it enough, but you rule.
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i think the way yr defining the role of the label there, dan, is appropriate and forward enough, but cutty is right (from chatter ive heard here and there) that labels are really tightening belts and looking to change the role they play (has j0el been unbanned yet? he might havesome insight). that said i think labels will start to fade, for a handful or reasons.

actually were getting at what i xpect the rushkoff interview i started listening to this am was getting on about.

oh, you have been unbanned, then..

nice

btw:listeing to geinoh yamashirogumi-(1976) chi no hibiki higashi yu~roppu wo utau thnks to milton

few bands are making much of records anyway, so what are the implications of a web-based commercial system on performance, listening culture, etc...how does that cut into the koffers (of esp very new or very forgotten bands)?

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OTM. adding insult to confusion rhapsody recently replaced their non-canonical review blurbs w/vintage kristgau konsumer guide entries. arghh. D for the David Crosby you're now digging. no escape.

please contine this interesting discussion, and keep it off ILM so knowitall douches like yours truly won't intrude.

exactly, i wouldn't ask my postman for music recommendations either. i have to know what i want then go somewhere to get it.

MORE LISTENING TO'S AND LESS INDUSTRY DOUCHEBAGGERY!

TODAY I WILL LISTEN TO CARCASS, THEN SOME LIL WAYNE PEPPERED WITH SOME GHOSTFACE!

HI!

LIKE STAT!

netflix why u braek hart

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maria bought it years ago and i forgot all about it. so cool.

i recently emailed w1ndy, ex-owner of aqu@rius records because she does this. i interviewed for a design position at the iTMS and i'd work w/her. i'd LOVE to have that job though.

panda bear - person pitch
lil wayne - dj drama dedication 2

The Jay Tees - Buck Town Corner
Henry Mancini, His Orchestra & Chorus - Hawaiian War Chant
The Uniques - My Conversation
Wailing Souls - Row Fisherman Row
Miriam Makeba - The Click Song
Systems Officer - Forever This Cyanide
Larry Harlow (canta Celia Cruz) - Gracia Divina
Boris - track 3 or 4 from Pink. can't remember which one.

Martin Denny - The Best of MD's Exotica (1957-1969)
Davy Graham - The Guitar Player (1963)
Neil Young & Crazy Horse - Live At The Fillmore (1970)
Faust - IV (reissue) (1973)
Manuel Gottsching - E2-E4 (1981)
Stereolab - ABC Music (1991-2001)
Pavement - Wowee Zowee (reissue) (1994-1996)

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DBC219 World (of Dreams)'s Who Is Yahdoosh? CD

World (Of Dreams) is Wm. Berger, genius guitarist of Uncle Wiggly, DJ who spearheaded the Krautrock revival with his WFMU show "The Hip Bone," and occasional member of Smack Dab, the Gamma Rays and Princess Superstar. This is his homage to and fantasia on the sound he loves: the sound of Faust, Harmonia and Karuna Khyal, of steam-thick, mind-warping textures, prickly electronic drones and spidery psychedelic guitar. The first album in this series, World Without End, was a limited-edition LP that sold out almost instantly. Who Is Yahdoosh? is a series of five psychic phenomena manifested as extended audio dreams of the secret Autobahn exit in Brooklyn; it's also got three tracks from World Without End, and three more previously unreleased bonus tracks. Timeless and ecstatic, this album will pulse its way into your genes. $10.

that sounds like the righter idea...perhaps i need some of that. but'll need to get my hands on some of the devilweed to go along with it if im gonna delve into that sorta psych world ... ha i bought an uncle wiggly record of of that dude that used to run flipped out records once...mighta been the same day he conned me into buying a coupla bunnybrians seven inches, bless his wierd soul.

vocokesh coming off (and not being writ about right now)... primordial undermind? ... im catching up on ignored promo's this am...(kinda fun playing critic again)