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that included Superman/Jimmy Olsen

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:40 (five years ago) link

Epic and OGNS titles weren't related to each other tho. What I mean is something like Ultimates or New Universe, where there was a series of titles that were related to one another, but totally separate from the "regular" continuity.

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:41 (five years ago) link

like, DC didn't have a bunch of Earth-2 titles (right?)

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:42 (five years ago) link

There was All-Star Squadron and that's about it for Earth-2 ongoings.

EZ Snappin, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:47 (five years ago) link

It was the first line produced by Marvel Comics utilizing a pre-conceived shared universe concept.

fit and working again, Monday, 7 July 2014 20:49 (five years ago) link

I have a whole short box of nothing but groo. Can't even get at it rn (lol nyc) but I'm gonna wallow in them again someday.

how will the milf survive? (Jon Lewis), Monday, 7 July 2014 23:04 (five years ago) link

yeah, groo was awesome

i loved groo as a kid. a bit sad that the collections available on amazon are a tad pricey.

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 06:29 (five years ago) link

Those figures are for postal subscriptions only, rather than newstand or comic book store sales

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:36 (five years ago) link

Collections were only ever four issues too iirc, they could have gotten the whole series out if Evanier had switched to fat 12-issue tomes

sales must have turned around at some point

subscription figures aren't necessarily exactly proportionate with newstand and direct sales anyway

i remember picking up Groo into the late 80s, it went forever

it's still going, the last series was in 2010 (and there's a Groo Vs Conan that was due in 2011, but Sergio's illness knocked it off track [and Sakai's family troubles probably aren't helping him speed through it rn])

Looks as if Groo was the second-highest selling Epic title after the flagship anthology. That's not too shabby, really.

can't possibly believe the Heavy Metal knockoff magazine sold more than Elektra

Was the New Universe the first time Marvel attempted the alternate, self-contained universe of titles gambit...? Was there any precedent of a similar approach from DC? (DC was pretty explicit about the separate universes, but they didn't have entire titles devoted to alternate universes, did they? At least not until Vertigo?)

Vertigo wasn't an alternate universe, it was a bunch of DCU and otherwise self-contained books

boney tassel (sic), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:39 (five years ago) link

Essential-style, phonebook Groo volumes wld be a winner, no?

Think Conan v Groo is finally coming out this year.

There was All-Star Squadron and that's about it for Earth-2 ongoings.

Before that there was an All Star Comics, also featuring the Earth-2 heroes, but since 'Flash of Two Worlds' DC have never exactly resisted crossovers between the two universes.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 07:54 (five years ago) link

Groo was the first American-style comic I read after a childhood of Tintin and Asterix and The Beano. Anecdotally - it felt like Mad and Groo were much more widely read than the superhero books - maybe a UK thing? There were copies in every newsagent - plus (anecdotally again) it was never just boys who read them.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 11:28 (five years ago) link

Groo was always tough to find in my area (NY), never seemed that popular around here. Probably because of the times (late 80s/early 90s). I was often surprised when I was able to find a copy

Nhex, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 13:48 (five years ago) link

I think I got into Mad magazine as a kid before most comics but never saw Groo on a newsstand and hardly ever in a comics shop.

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 13:58 (five years ago) link

Groo was dead easy to find in the UK, but I always suspected we mainly got the leftover comics that hadn't sold in the US

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:02 (five years ago) link

Nah. For quite a while, Marvel US would swap a 15 cent (or whatever) front cover price plate for a 10p cover price place at the end of a run of 'colour' comics, so the Marvel titles in newsagents etc were produced specifically for the UK market, although certain titles (eg The Avengers) that had British Marvel equivalents were 'non-distributed' (ie you could only get them as imports.)

http://www.comics.org/issue/1057795/cover/4/

By the time that the cover price included both a US and UK price, comics were distributed to UK specialist shops just a couple of days after they went on sale in America, so not 'leftovers' either.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:12 (five years ago) link

paper is heavy, I would imagine shipping comics overseas was at the bottom of their list of strategies

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:13 (five years ago) link

really? woah, I always imagined when I was reading Marvel obsessively (86-88) that they were imports... thanks for clearing that up, Ward.

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:27 (five years ago) link

As a kid, I was always fascinated with Marvel comics from the UK whenever some neighborhood kids got their hands on one (usually Action Force, IIRC). Those larger comics with the different paper stock felt like alien artifacts. Even later, non-tabloid stuff like Knights of Pendragon looked so much different from what I was used to (which was largely due to what I think might've been a completely different color process than what was standard in most US Marvel books at the time).

The She's The Sheriff Mystery Hour (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:38 (five years ago) link

I have mixed feelings on Kieron Gillen's recent Iron Man run, but using a couple Marvel UK characters (Death's Head and Dark Angel) was kind of entertaining

mh, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 14:53 (five years ago) link

Stevie, I hope you won't mind if I make things a little clearer, still

The small, colour Marvel comics were always technically 'imports', in that they were printed and published in America. When Marvel comics were first imported to the UK, they would have a cents price on them and over that t UK price stamp, normally bearing a T&P insignia, which stood for the British distributors Thorpe and Porter Lrd. The comics were brought over to this country by sea mail.

At some point in the early 1970s, Marvel in America began to print a certain amount of their color comics with a UK pence price, rather than a cents price. This was done at the end of the printing process, a simple matter of swapping a printing plate, but it meant that UK pence copies traditionally have had shittier printing, more colour mis-alignment etc, which may have contributed to your impression that these comics were somehow 'leftovers'. They are generally deemed less collectible than the 'real' cents comics. But they were American Marvels, printed and published in the US and imported here.

Not every American Marvel title was officially distributed in the UK (these comics are known in British collector circles as 'ND' - not distributed - comics.) When the British Marvel titles kicked off in the 1970s, reprinting the American comics in larger size, black and white (or two colour) weekly editions, lots of the series featured in these UK Marvel titles - Spider-Man, Hulk, Avengers etc - were removed from UK distribution, so as not to distract from the UK sales, or confuse readers with stories from vastly different time periods. The only way for a UK reader to acquire these ND comics would be to subscribe, visit America, order them via a mail order dealer either at home or in America, or buy them from one a dedicated comic book store, like Dark They Were and Golden Eyed in London. Distribution of the Marvel Comics with British prices was always extremely patchy, but there's no evidence that any particular titles were 'dumped' on the UK market.

Again, at some point in the 1980s, Marvel began to print only one version of their American colour comics, with both an American and British (and Canadian) price on the front. These titles would be imported in large quantities by air to UK comic shops, typically going on sale just a couple of days after they went on sale in America. Or you could wait a month or so and buy pretty much every Marvel or DC as a slightly cheaper (cover) price, sea-freighted and officially distributed to newsagents and even comic shops.

Looking at a gallery of Groo covers, it seems that the first one with a joint US/UK price was issue 16, cover dated June 1986:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/groo-the-wanderer/16-1.jpg

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 20:18 (five years ago) link

Thanks for that, Ward. I could read ultra-granular comics minutia like that all day long.

The She's The Sheriff Mystery Hour (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 20:38 (five years ago) link

Seconded. And I'm pretty sure I had that Groo!

The Littlest Boho (stevie), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 21:17 (five years ago) link

Really interesting! I just finished the Sean Howe so am definitely in minutia mode. Follow-up question: when did DC/Marvel stuff start disappearing from UK newsagents? I stopped buying (for the first time) round Death of Superman time - I think they were still on the shelves then.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 8 July 2014 22:05 (five years ago) link

Just noticed by a friend on Twitter and reposted to Facebook:

"Disney owns marvel.
Marvel owns Thor.
Thor is the son of a king.
Thor is now female.
Thor is now a Disney princess."

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 18 July 2014 17:27 (five years ago) link

it goes all the way to the top mannnnnnnn

Good idea I guess then

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 20 July 2014 22:34 (five years ago) link

Marvel Unlimited is doing a month for $0.99 during Comic-Con, I'll get in on this
http://marvel.com/mu

Nhex, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:55 (five years ago) link

No ALL-NEW DOOP available, what a waste.

Nhex, Friday, 25 July 2014 19:06 (five years ago) link

If only for the sake of people that might read the title and have no context for it whatsoever, I love that there's a comic called All-New Doop.

I'll probably eventually get on the Marvel Unlimited train, but not until it gets a helluva lot closer to actually being Unlimited. For the time being, I'm content to stupidly spend all of my money in the futile attempt of getting physical copies of everything I want.

Dr. Diapers (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 July 2014 19:17 (five years ago) link

reminds me, I need to catch up on All-New Doop, I'm a bit behind

mh, Friday, 25 July 2014 19:28 (five years ago) link

Read some older Dark Wolverine issues. Man, it's infuriating - so many crossovers, every issue continues directly into another series, and there's no way to just go to the correct book without hunting it down. Netflix this ain't.

Nhex, Friday, 25 July 2014 19:46 (five years ago) link

I haven't used the service at all, but if Marvel's oft-nonsensical methodology with respect to physical collections is any kind of a barometer, I can only imagine that reading the more recent hyperinterconnected stuff is a total nightmare.

Self-Satisfaction Guaranteed (Old Lunch), Friday, 25 July 2014 20:05 (five years ago) link

How is the new Nightcrawler run from Chris Claremont?

jamiesummerz, Friday, 8 August 2014 14:58 (five years ago) link

I would love to give him the benefit of the doubt given that he is 90% of the reason why I read comic books today but, after the 90s, I'll be damned if I'm ever reading another new Claremont book.

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Friday, 8 August 2014 15:15 (five years ago) link

The new Nightcrawler is readable. It's not good by any means, but compared to DC, readable counts as a win.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:53 (five years ago) link

what, you don't like reading captions with paragraphs of exposition and character description draped over soap operas? xp

mh, Friday, 8 August 2014 15:53 (five years ago) link

djp otm

I thought Claremont came across quite menschy in the Howe book so I'll give him a shot

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 8 August 2014 21:47 (five years ago) link

four weeks pass...

I haven't read comics for years, Marvel or otherwise, but I came across the Howe book at the library and have been blowing through it over the past few days. I just finished the Shooter years- which were the years I in which I discovered Marvel comics. Boy he did not come across well. I was cringing imagining working for him as depicted in his later tenure.

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 6 September 2014 23:01 (five years ago) link

Dreaded Deadline Doom notwithstanding, I loved the auteur years between Stan and Shooter as E-I-C. Shooter's ascension = the day the music died.

Malibu Stasi (WilliamC), Saturday, 6 September 2014 23:18 (five years ago) link

It's certainly seeming that way to me. The Gerber/Englehart/Starlin stuff sounds great - I've not seen much of it other than the odd issue or reference here or there. I'm thinking of getting a Marvel Unlimited subscription in the hopes that some of that material is represented.

Dokken played here for a Ribfest and people were total assholes (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 6 September 2014 23:59 (five years ago) link

I really dug the Howe book too! So many pros are pissed about it.

I haven't read these yet, but I thought I'd pass them on, two-part Shooter defense:
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2013/01/jim-shooter-a-second-opinion-part-one-the-best-job-he-can/
http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2013/10/jim-shooter-a-second-opinion-part-two-romper-room-on-crystal-meth-installment-1/

Brakhage, Sunday, 7 September 2014 23:24 (five years ago) link

omg lolz @ that Ghost Rider + Jesus storyline, never heard of that before

Οὖτις, Monday, 8 September 2014 17:00 (five years ago) link

no kidding! if your main gripe about Jim Shooter is that he didn't want to publish your story where Jesus helps Ghost Rider, then you really have no ammo whatsoever, really

⌘-B (mh), Monday, 8 September 2014 17:48 (five years ago) link

Those Shooter defense articles have been linked to here before - they're still mostly bullshit. Creators had other, bigger gripes abt Shooter than that he wouldn't publish their Jesus/Ghost Rider story (but i mean, why not - this is a company that published Son of Satan, after all.)

I love the Sean Howe bk, gobbled it up, but I think there are other histories of Marvel and American comics still to be told - it's not, by any means, definitive.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Monday, 8 September 2014 18:41 (five years ago) link

yeah idk if Shooter was in the right there (it's conceivable) I just find the whole prospect v v 70s and v v funny

Οὖτις, Monday, 8 September 2014 18:56 (five years ago) link

If I were to do a radio-button poll of Marvel 70s "auteur" series, what should I include?

Starlin's Warlock
Moench/Gulacy Master of Kung Fu
McGregor/Graham Black Panther
McGregor/Russell Killraven
Wolfman/Colan Dracula
Wolfman/Perlin Werewolf by Night
Rich Buckler Deathlok
Steve Gerber, Howard the Duck
Gerber, Man-Thing

What else would fit in there? Any of the superhero titles?

Malibu Stasi (WilliamC), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:23 (five years ago) link

surely claremont's xmen, no?

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:38 (five years ago) link

Gerber's Defenders is the only obvious omission. Maybe Starlin's Captain Marvel. Claremont might be outside the purview of that particular endeavor.

Coarse Apple Slaw (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:38 (five years ago) link

☮️

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Friday, 30 August 2019 05:52 (three weeks ago) link

Btw — the Spider-Woman story in Marvel Comics Presents #8 is apparently one in a series depicting “previously untold tales of Marvel Heroes” dealing with “major historical events that for whatever reason we have not been able to fully wrestle with, either because they happened too quickly or even because they were too raw a subject.”

The “real-life event” tackled in this story is “Misinformation on Social Media” — which a long blurb describes as, “Bad information from bad sources [...] whose sole purpose was ad revenue based on clicks, with no regulation, peer control or obligation to the truth.”

I think the way they chose to frame this particular issue (“ad revenue”?) shows that Marvel may not yet be able, or at liberty, to fully wrestle with this particular subject. (Plus, the story sucks!)

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Friday, 30 August 2019 06:10 (three weeks ago) link

yeah... they're not all winners tbf

Nhex, Friday, 30 August 2019 13:14 (three weeks ago) link

I saw 'X-Men Red' mentioned in an article on HoXPoX, and read the first TPB this week. It's pretty great, all X-Men as political metaphor, with an emphasis on feminism. The writer, Tom Taylor, did the All New Wolverine book, so I'll check that out afterwards. That one ran 33 issues! That's an eternity for a new comic book. Hope it's as good as this, there are few things as pleasant as a good long comic run.

Frederik B, Saturday, 7 September 2019 14:06 (two weeks ago) link

ANW starts out great – definitely check out The Four Sisters (Vol. 1). I eventually bailed b/c I didn’t like where it went after that.

#YABASIC (morrisp), Saturday, 7 September 2019 15:16 (two weeks ago) link

All New Wolverine is a solid book, blessing the world with the character of Honey Badger. I agree it peters out a bit by the end, but it was worthwhile imo (the very last arc which is a what if?-style alternate future dig was real fun). Tom Taylor's the guy who also did the epic Injustice comic series of series.
The follow up-to ANW is X-23 by Mariko Tamaki which is OK but not probably quite as good. Tamaki's indie stuff is great, but her Marvel work has been just OK (see also her gray She-Hulk run).

Nhex, Saturday, 7 September 2019 15:33 (two weeks ago) link

There’s a new Gwenpool miniseries,(Gwenpool Strokes Back), from a new creative team, but it’s really bad... they ruined the character, she’s annoying and unlikeable (and weirdly sexed-up). The art sucks, too.

It really reinforces the uniqueness of what Christopher Hastings (and Gurihiru) achieved in the original series.

#YABASIC (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 04:48 (five days ago) link

(*Typo fix, it’s “...Strikes Back” — they’ll probably make a dumb pun like that though, the “humor” is at that level.)

#YABASIC (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 04:50 (five days ago) link

Marvel was so great for a minute there; it’s really a bummer to me what‘s become of most the stuff I used to be so jazzed about. (I’m sure the complex,
time-spanning mutant epic is all right, but that’s not my kind of jam.)

#YABASIC (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 04:55 (five days ago) link

current marvel books i will rep as readable at worst and greatly enjoyable at best:
Avengers, Conan (and Savage Sword of Conan), Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Guardians of the Galaxy, House of X / Powers of X, Immortal Hulk, Invisible Woman, King Thor, Loki, Punisher, "Punisher Kill Krew", Savage Avengers, Silver Surfer Black, Star Wars, Squirrel Girl, Valkyrie.

I know there's like six books forthcoming next month but is this the first moment since the 1950's that (limited series aside) there are NO currently running X books? Teenage me would be agog.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 04:57 (five days ago) link

also, against every prediction i would've made, the War of the Realms crossover was both great fun and well done!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 04:58 (five days ago) link

I’ve heard Star Wars is good, but I’ve never read a SW comic and it seems a little late to start now.

#YABASIC (morrisp), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 05:43 (five days ago) link

There aren't that many of them and I'd bet most libraries have the collections

The arcs are somewhat connected but tend to be writer-centric and you won't really need much backstory because, for the most part, it's just a continuation and extrapolation of the movies. The only exceptions would be the new Doctor Aphra character, although she bounces through situations that include a number of fringe movie characters and a brief period working with Vader

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 14:20 (five days ago) link

kieron gillen's darth vader is really, really good

don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 14:21 (five days ago) link

Yeah, crucially they restarted everything around the time of The Force Awakens, so there's only a few years to catch up on.

And the Vader is really good.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 14:33 (five days ago) link

little reminder that v1 of squadron supreme was hella fucked up
http://www.comicosity.com/deadly-nightshade-poison-ivy-squadron-supreme-and-a-history-of-sexualized-violence/
xp to comics heroes killing people too

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 03:42 (four days ago) link

i should get around to reading that one of these days (and more Gruenwald in general)

Nhex, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 04:19 (four days ago) link

Take it to the only real contribution I’ve made to this board

#YABASIC (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 04:21 (four days ago) link

I remember attempting to read Squadron Supreme because I'd heard the bullshit about it being the Marvel equivalent to the "seriousness" and "maturity" of Watchmen, and man was it a load of crap.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 07:03 (four days ago) link

It’s kind of a weird, brutalist, Twilight Zone version of a comic miniseries, without Watchmen’s guardrails of literary respectability (and, I guess, “good writing”). I think Squadron’s bizarre scenarios are more disturbing, because they’re presented in a way that doesn’t tell you what to think about them.

#YABASIC (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 14:54 (four days ago) link

dang new house of x got me all choked up

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 23:04 (four days ago) link


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