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i guess they were waiting for this poll.

Bee OK, Saturday, 5 July 2014 07:24 (nine years ago) link

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System, Sunday, 6 July 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link

there's songs i think are more definitive of the format, or of the artist, or just "better," but i can't see me know voting for "ashes to ashes."

the times recommends: gluten-free dining in italy! (Hunt3r), Sunday, 6 July 2014 00:40 (nine years ago) link

"not voting"

the times recommends: gluten-free dining in italy! (Hunt3r), Sunday, 6 July 2014 00:40 (nine years ago) link

Same as it ever was

Walter Galt, Sunday, 6 July 2014 12:27 (nine years ago) link

Same as it ever was

Frederik B, Sunday, 6 July 2014 14:19 (nine years ago) link

hope to also have this series continue after this.

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 July 2014 23:16 (nine years ago) link

yeah i'll go to at least the beginning of the mod rock chart, might go all the way to nevermind. after 91 the chart's just another mod rock station chart, whatever was distinctive fades pretty quick once the money really pours in.

balls, Sunday, 6 July 2014 23:28 (nine years ago) link

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System, Monday, 7 July 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link

KROQ top 50 1981

balls, Monday, 7 July 2014 00:37 (nine years ago) link

I didn't vote but I would have went for "Games Without Frontiers."

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Monday, 7 July 2014 02:02 (nine years ago) link

nine months pass...

Spacin' Scott Mason Died over this last weekend (RIP):

http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/140618/longtime-kroq-host-cbs-radio-west-coast-dir-of-eng

Condolences to family, friends, and co-workers of longtime CBS RADIO/LOS ANGELES staffer, CBS RADIO WEST COAST Dir./Engineering, and Alternative KROQ/LOS ANGELES "OPENLINE" weekend public affairs show host SCOTT MASON, who died this weekend, KROQ morning show KEVIN AND BEAN confirmed TODAY (4/20).

MASON, sometimes known on-air as "SPACIN' SCOTT MASON," worked in L.A. radio starting at age 14 at KKDJ, then at KIQQ and KTNQ-A-KGBS-F before rejoining former KKDJ PD RICK CARROLL at KROQ in 1979 as host and engineer, and remained with the station until his passing, adding corporate engineering duties in 1999.

In 2012, needing a kidney transplant and finding himself on a long waiting list, MASON received a kidney donation from KROQ morning co-host GENE "BEAN" BAXTER.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 21 April 2015 02:43 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/KROQ-kevin-and-bean-show-hosts-13667997.php

Gene "Bean" Baxter, a titular radio personality of long-running KROQ morning radio show "Kevin and Bean," announced on-air Wednesday morning that he will leave the show after 30 years.

Now, Baxter, a British citizen, says he's ready to move home to England. According to the Hollywood Reporter, the recent death of "90210" and "Riverdale" actor Luke Perry was a catalyst for his decision.

"It's another reminder that tomorrow is not guaranteed for anybody, and we have been talking about moving to Europe for years," he told the Reporter. "But at what point are we going to do it? It can't always be a spot on the horizon. When you're young and healthy enough to enjoy it, you can't put off things that you've been looking forward to in life forever."

He also says part of the reason he's leaving the U.S. is the political climate, and because he feels "a civil war is coming."

"I'm not exaggerating when I say that," he continued. "We are literally watching democracy die in front of our eyes ... It breaks my heart to see what is happening to our country right now."

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 March 2019 02:31 (five years ago) link

i never listen to the radio anymore, Spotify for me almost all the time. this morning i tuned in and heard this announcement live, sad day really.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bean-baxter-exiting-kroq-morning-show-kevin-bean-30-years-1192627

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 March 2019 02:34 (five years ago) link

He's moving home to the genteel calm that is the about-to-be-fucked-up-by-Brexit UK?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 March 2019 02:40 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

RIP. Kevin and Bean even if that happened last November actually:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kroqs-kevin-ryder-says-entire-morning-show-team-was-fired-1285185

Bee OK, Thursday, 19 March 2020 03:49 (four years ago) link

end of an era, i was still in Los Angeles and pretty much listen to KROQ at the time Kevin and Bean made their debut in January 1990. Nirvana was right around the corner and another explosion was about to happen. moved to San Francisco in 1995 and pretty much forgot about them. 2020 seems to be the end and hopefully not the world.

Bee OK, Thursday, 19 March 2020 03:52 (four years ago) link

and where the fuck is balls? one of ILM's all time best posters

balls, i do miss you around these parts and know that you are out there somewhere

Bee OK, Thursday, 19 March 2020 03:55 (four years ago) link

Thx Bee. I also tried (not very hard) to get discussion going here: Worst song on KROQ's 25 Most Requested Songs of All-Time (2006)

morrisp, Thursday, 19 March 2020 04:22 (four years ago) link

missed that bump, sorry.

Bee OK, Thursday, 19 March 2020 04:42 (four years ago) link

No prob, there’s no good “general” KROQ thread (and I guess no good general KROQ)

morrisp, Thursday, 19 March 2020 05:58 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

https://variety.com/2020/music/news/kroq-kevin-bean-music-ratings-post-malone-1234609654/

A funny thing happened the week of March 8. Iconic Los Angeles radio station KROQ, long known for showcasing the top names in alternative rock, programmed a pop hit, Post Malone’s “Circles,” into power rotation. On March 1, the song hadn’t registered a single spin. Seven days later, it had 32 plays. By the end of March, it was averaging 65 a week — and over the last three months it has become the station’s second most-played track behind Billie Eilish’s “Everything I Wanted” and ahead of Shaed’s “Trampoline.”

Post’s arrival came amid several major exits for the station: longtime program director Kevin Weatherly, who left in late February after 28 years — on the heels of a proposed pay cut (in the ballpark of 30% according to an insider) — for a position at Spotify (he starts in September); and the March 18 firing of morning host Kevin Ryder after three decades on the job.

The decision to blow up the morning show brought severe consequences. In the past two months, according to Nielsen’s most recent L.A. report, KROQ has dropped more than a share point among listeners age 6 and up (from a 2.5 to a 1.4 share of the market) — placing the Entercom-owned station far behind its alternative rock competitor, iHeartRadio’s KYSR-FM Alt 98.7 (at a 2.2 share). What’s more, according to one metric, KROQ lost half of its listenership in the weeks following the decision to yank “Kevin the Morning with Allie & Jensen” off the air.

KROQ was changing and leading the charge was new brand manager Mike Kaplan — who not-so-coincidentally had been nicknamed “Mike the Show Killer” by jocks at his former station, the aforementioned Alt 98.7. According to sources, Kaplan ordered “Circles” be added to the playlist immediately and mandated that all talent no longer refer to the station as “K-Rock” but rather use its call letters — K-R-O-Q — almost exclusively. The very sound of the word “rock” purportedly offended Kaplan, who not only felt it antiquated, but borderline toxic. “Rock equals death,” says a station insider of management’s view.

“They’ve certainly gotten a lot more aggressive with new music since he’s taken over,” says one radio veteran of Kaplan. “There are a lot of new titles, which was an immediate shift from Weatherly, where [song] adds were notoriously slow.” Some of those playlist additions include Powfu’s “Coffee for Your Head (Death Bed)” with Beabadoobee, 24kGoldn’s “City of Angels,” Tame Impala’s “Lost In Yesterday” and Ashe’s “Moral of the Story.” “They’re really trying to freshen the sound,” adds the source, who suggests KROQ had in essence turned into a “classic alternative” station — leaning “on heritage artists,” and not claiming new acts like L.A.-based star Eilish for themselves.

Kaplan doesn’t deny any of the above — and even chuckles at his “killer” rep — though he does clarify the mandate to voice the station’s call-letters. “It’s used interchangeably,” he says. “Rock music is part of what we do, it’s part of alternative, but it’s not the only part of alternative. We’re not just looking to play four white dudes in a band. Our audience is as diverse as ever and our playlist needs to be too. Whether it’s Billie Eilish or Lana Del Rey or rappers making alternative tracks such as 24kGoldn and Dominic Fike, we’re bringing together what millennials and Gen Z fans want. There are really no boundaries when you think about music today. We’re not a singular focus where we get so pigeon-holed and lack diverse options. We don’t just stand for one thing. It’s a lifestyle and an attitude.”

So what of SoCal standbys like Red Hot Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters and Sublime? A look at the most played songs on KROQ for 12 weeks (Feb. 16 to May 3) finds the Chilis’ first entry, “Dani California,” comes in at No. 42; No. 65 for the Foos’ “The Pretender”; and (gasp) No. 124 for Sublime’s “Santeria,” the very sound of sunshine, surf and smoke in better times. Nirvana’s “Come As You Are,” a staple of the station if ever there was one, sat at 94, having dropped 60% in plays over the same 12-week period. (Ironically, Post Malone played a livestream concert on April 24 to some 10 million YouTube viewers that consisted of 75 minutes of Nirvana songs; he also pointed to the Nirvana-inspired tattoo that adorns his face and reads “Stay Away.” No doubt a young Post would have been a KROQ listener.)

Kaplan says artists like The Cure or Depeche Mode, KROQ mainstays from the pre-grunge years, can be found on sister KCBS-FM (“Jack-FM”). Acts like Blink 182, Weezer and Green Day, which are played on Alt 98.7 though with less frequency, “will certainly be part of the fabric of who we are for a while,” he says. “But others have taken that step to a different format and for a different target consumer.”

“Listeners absolutely expect rock to be a significant sound on the station,” counters one former staffer, a view with which Weatherly agrees. “Over the last five to 10 years, the appetite for new alternative music with our core audience was not as strong as it had been previously,” he tells Variety. “There have not been as many big hits that have stuck around. … I wish we could play as much new music as possible, but that was not what our audience said that they wanted. Alternative has been leaning more pop and the expectations from our audience were more rock leaning. … The artists that consistently perform the best were Foo Fighters, Linkin Park, Muse, Killers, Green Day.”

Still, KROQ’s on-air staff frequently grumbled about having to play “the same 90 songs” and the audience seemed game for a change too. But then came the decision to pull the plug on “Kevin in the Morning” during the early days of the COVID-19 stay-at-home quarantine. It left listeners who had formed a deep attachment over 30 years of “Kevin & Bean” without a familiar routine that would have mattered even more these days, and wound up demoralizing the staff that was left behind.

The reaction from KROQ’s most loyal audience was swift. Two months later, the station is still constantly deleting angry comments on its social media posts (particularly on Facebook), while listeners en masse write how they’ve stopped tuning in. “I have not listened even one minute after that and I have removed my pre-sets,” wrote one former fan — and that’s a tame example. Most are much more explicit — and not hiding their anger at both station management and owner Entercom.

“Many of these people on social media, they haven’t listened to KROQ in years,” says Kaplan defensively. “They just wanted to glom on.”

Entercom regional president Jeff Federman, whose oversight includes KROQ, says he felt the need to immediately yank “Kevin in the Morning” off the air, despite the expected backlash. “We’ve done a lot of research, a lot of strategy meetings around all of this,” he says. “So it wasn’t like this knee jerk, ‘Hey it’s the pandemic, no one will see it happen’ decision.” The station is now, more or less, retroactively proclaiming that the show died once co-host Gene “Bean” Baxter left.

(“Kevin and Bean” ended its run at the end of 2019, after Baxter moved to London. “Kevin in the Morning” was relaunched with Ryder at the helm, but multiple insiders share that Ryder’s contract was set to expire this November — and there was the very real possibility that the show may have ended after that, particularly with Entercom in severe cost-cutting mode.)

Federman miscalculated Ryder’s reaction, however, and says he assumed the 30-year KROQ vet would willingly agree to quickly segue to another assignment inside Entercom despite the jolting transition. “I really thought we were going to be able to take his career into a whole other orbit by moving him into podcasting,” he says.

Instead, a stunned Ryder gave a quick on-air goodbye, expressing his disappointment with how the end of the show was handled. “I’m truly baffled by KROQ’s cold, heartless attitude toward the people who built this station,” he said on air. “They’ll say it’s just business, but for a long time, it wasn’t. For a long time, it was family and no business.”

Because of the abrupt cancellation, KROQ listeners were alienated, and replacement show “Stryker & Klein” was forced to try and clean up the mess — and win back those fans who had kissed off KROQ for good.

“Things happen and people get upset,” adds Federman. “We certainly hope to win back people that have left us. We expected the ratings hit. You can’t pull off someone of Kevin’s stature and not take some sort of hit. And we knew that. It was a tough call to make, but one that we felt was necessary.”

Now, more than two months after firing Ryder, Mac Kay, Jensen Karp, producer Dave Sanchez and some of the show’s hourly support staff, KROQ is still in damage control mode. “There were 400 other ways to do it,” Karp says. “I think they just picked the worst way.”

Indeed, KROQ could have taken much of 2020 to celebrate the 30-year legacy of Ryder’s run — and perhaps even have reunited him with longtime partner Bean for a true farewell. KROQ’s sales team could have signed up sponsors and monetized it as an end of an era event. And management could have capitalized on the pomp and circumstance to spin a proper passing of the baton to new morning show “Stryker & Klein.”

“Kevin [Ryder] made this point on his way out: You always felt over there like you were completely expendable,” offers former “Kevin & Bean” star Ralph Garman, who was let go by KROQ at the end of 2017, soon after Entercom had purchased CBS Radio. “They never really seemed to appreciate that they had lightning in a bottle. I guess, like most of show business, they felt people were aging out. I understand that you do periodically need to inject new blood into a show or a station or a format. But the more corporate it got, the more decisions were being made by accountants and lawyers, the less successful the station became.”

“No one had a better term for it than Kevin Weatherly,” says former KROQ staffer Jay Tilles, who spent several years as producer on “Kevin & Bean” before heading up the station’s digital operations. “He foresaw this and said it wouldn’t happen overnight. KROQ would succumb to death by a thousand cuts.” (Weatherly does not recall the specific remark.)

In fact, KROQ’s buckle was a decade-long decline. It can be attributed to uncertainty in the radio business, which has seen its audience pivot to streaming platforms, podcasts, satellite radio and other forms of audio entertainment, and a splintering of the alternative rock format, where guitar-based groups of the ’90s and early-aughts are in a sort of format purgatory, not entirely at home on classic or modern rock. Some of it was also self-inflicted.

Says Kaplan: “Since 2013, the ratings were challenged.” Federman is less diplomatic about it, calling the slump “excruciating.” Coincidentally, that was around the time that KROQ also began to make on-air personality changes — including booting longtime “Kevin & Bean” traffic reporter Lisa May, which prompted major backlash. (Something that Garman’s exit in 2017 also triggered. Both times, the ratings took a hit.)

Veteran radio and film exec Don Barrett, who has chronicled the L.A. radio market for nearly two decades on his website LARadio.com, says that “someone took their eye off the ball. Piece by piece, the station was dismantled with no real innovation to replace the changes with compelling programming. Habits in morning drive are tough to change… The public firings over the years were unsettling to many. Kevin & Bean ruled the roost for decades. It takes a long time to build a new morning show. Replacements can be as talented as those they replace, but it still takes time to build familiarity, acceptance and trust.”

* * *

The station’s slogan, “The World Famous KROQ,” was originally coined as a joke — Tilles believes, by legendary KROQ jock Freddy Snakeskin. A low-watt FM station out of Pasadena that played punk rock and new wave but could barely stay on the air through the 1970s, by the early 1980s, the station’s “Roq of the 80s” format had caught on. With famed disc jockey Rodney Bingenheimer introducing the likes of the Ramones, Blondie, the Runaways and the Go-Go’s, soon bands from the U.K. knew this L.A. radio station could turn them into stars. (More recently, KROQ championed bands like Coldplay — Chris Martin even performed at Weatherly’s farewell party in March.)

By 1986, the station truly was “World Famous,” so much so that Mel Karmazin’s Infinity Broadcasting purchased KROQ for a then-record $45 million. Infinity merged with CBS in 1997 to become CBS Radio, which owned the station until being acquired by Entercom in a deal approved November 2017. Along the way, KROQ made future TV stars of such alums as Jimmy Kimmel, Carson Daly, Adam Carolla and Dr. Drew Pinsky.

In the 1990s came the peak of the alternative music format thanks to the success of bands like Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins. KROQ became one of the nation’s top-billing stations (as high as $68 million in 2005), and a model for alternative radio across the country. By the 2000s, KROQ had climbed to the pinnacle of L.A.’s radio ratings, and as recently as six years ago, “Kevin & Bean” was still the No. 1 morning show in Los Angeles.

Even Federman recalls the time in his youth when KROQ was a genre unto itself. “Growing up, I would walk into Tower Records and say, ‘Where’s the KROQ section?’,” he says. “That’s because we owned the music.”

“You put on KROQ because you wanted to hear something different,” says one longtime label executive. “It’s hard to stay edgy and cool. Now someone’s gotta take the baton and be adventurous and get back to whatever that is. You have to dare to be different.”

Daniel Glass, CEO of Glassnote Records, home to alternative perennials Mumford & Sons and Phoenix, puts it this way: “The best DJs in the world are those who aren’t afraid to clear the dance floor.”

But with money came the need to play it safe and not alienate that audience. “That’s the problem, you’re beholden to the ratings and you notch it down,” Tilles adds. “You’re now billing so much more money, your ratings are higher and you don’t want to go backward. And so every year more time was spent poring over the numbers. The music and morning show was researched to death. That’s why you hear Red Hot Chili Peppers on KROQ all the time. Because Chili Peppers is familiar. In a world of music and radio, you want familiarity and likability.”

As the KROQ audience aged, it faced a bit of a Catch-22: Attempt to stay relevant to younger audiences but potentially alienate that core listenership? Or stick with the guaranteed older audience, and lose out on the next generation? And, most importantly, can your sales staff monetize the demographic?

“The station has always had this debate,” Tilles says. “Keeping the older demo has its upside. They have more discretionary income, which is great for advertisers, and they’re far more loyal to radio. But over time this demo will diminish and if you haven’t backfilled with new, young listeners, the ratings will suffer. If you bite the bullet and play young, polarizing, trendy music, you can jettison the older listeners in favor of a younger audience. But the irony of the latter plan is that younger people are less inclined to listen to terrestrial radio. So in the end, you’re stuck with an older audience and more Red Hot Chili Peppers.”

Garman, who now hosts the daily morning show-style podcast “The Ralph Report,” says it seemed to him that the station managed to make all the wrong choices. “I remember Kevin Weatherly saying to us, ‘it’s really important for us to play more music and you guys are talking too long,'” he says. “This was at a time where streaming was blowing up, and Spotify and iTunes, and we kept saying, people can get music almost anywhere now. The best thing that terrestrial radio had to offer and I believe still does was personality driven content.”

Weatherly disputes that, however. “The old debate of more music, more talk, more music, more talk, that’s been going on forever,” he says. “I am obviously pro-personality. I brought in Jimmy Kimmel, Carson Daly, Stryker, Nicole Alvarez and Kat Corbett and recently put Klein on in the afternoon with Stryker, because that was a point of differentiation. If everyone’s playing the same music, what sets us apart? Personality? That’s the difference maker.”

Weatherly, who is credited with the 1990s success of KROQ, also constructed the huge popularity of adult hits Jack-FM — which has never had disc jockeys. But in applying the success of Jack to KROQ, insiders believe he may have stripped the station of its personality. And as Weatherly expanded his oversight inside CBS Radio (including KROQ, Jack and Amp), one insider says he became “completely checked out” when it came to KROQ.

“I don’t completely disagree with that, because there were probably some times when I was spread too thin,” says Weatherly. “I was trying to do the best that I could for all three radio stations.”

And that’s when iHeart smelled blood. After years of trying — but failing — at launching a competitor to KROQ, iHeart finally pulled it off by flipping its 98.7 FM signal, which had previously housed the softer alternative “Star” format, into a more aggressive rival. The renamed “Alt 98.7” also picked up steam in the mornings with “The Woody Show,” which particularly benefited from every time KROQ mishandled another exit on “Kevin & Bean.”

Under Kaplan, Alt 98.7 aimed to siphon away Millennial listeners with personalities like “Woody.” It worked.

“They started playing the exact same music,” Federman says of the competition. “And that became a problem. It wasn’t exclusive. We did a ton of research, we knew that we had to do something. And that something was: either decide if we were going to lean more towards 25-54 or push forward and play new music, which is really what the essence of the KROQ brand is. The research really showed us that we needed to start moving forward.”

Of his own influence on Alt when he was program director from 2013 to 2018, Kaplan adds that musically, “KROQ was behind the times a little bit.” But what it had, he says, was a brand. “Across the street, they have nothing,” he says of his former employer, catching himself. “They have, you know, a little bit right now, but the power of the KROQ name is just incredible. And we can bring it back.” (Worth noting: the current PD of Alt 98.7 is Lisa Worden, who worked at KROQ from 1995 to 2017, helping Weatherly build the station into a monster. She hopped to iHeart as its alternative rock brand manager, and took over KYSR, in 2017.)

That same formula applied to New York’s WXRK when it pivoted to the Alt format, another notch in Kaplan’s belt. Once gaining oversight of KROQ, the executive put into action a plan for both stations to mirror each other’s playlists — an unorthodox move, say industry observers. Kaplan acknowledges that the history of alternative in New York doesn’t have the depth that the format claims in Southern California, but in his view: “We’re not seeing a lot of regional hits so to speak anymore, because things are so omnipresent. … Whether it’s an artist breaking out of TikTok or suburbia, we’ve got to be on the pulse for that and be as inclusive and diversified as the audience and the artists are today.”

Of course, the status quo went out the window the day the COVID-19 pandemic became a SoCal problem. And ironically, it’s during those times that area residents look to local stations to get informed and feel connected. That’s been reflected in overall consumption of radio over the last three months. According to a recent study by Havas, 34% of respondents said their radio consumption increased. More telling: that number was 40% among those 25 to 34.

At the same time, the station has had to rely on specialty programming — like the recent top 106 songs of the 2000s — due to the lack of events, giveaways or its own branded concerts. Under normal circumstances, KROQ would have aired two weekends of Coachella programming in April and gone into announcements and giveaways for its annual Weenie Roast, which would have been held in May.

Asked who he thinks the KROQ audience is, Federman curiously answers who it should be. “The KROQ audience should be about 28-29 years old and ethnically diverse,” says the L.A. native whose business background is in sales and dotcoms (mostly failed, by his own admission). “And should be leaning towards new music. They should be the person that’s at Coachella checking out all the new music tents and not just sitting in front of the main stage to hear the big artists. They are very musically driven. They’re coming to us for entertainment.”

Barrett notes that Entercom has more challenges than KROQ. The company owns around 235 radio stations, facing similar challenges in virtually every market. In Los Angeles (the No. 2 market in the U.S. but the top revenue generator), Entercom’s classic hits station KRTH-FM (“K-Earth 101”) continues to do well by targeting an older demographic. Insiders say the company is seriously mulling a flip to sports talk for top 40 “Amp,” although Federman denies this.

“The economic challenges for all of radio seems daunting,” Barrett says. “Maybe trying to manage a half dozen stations in Los Angeles is just too much to ask of anyone. Everyone probably needs to step back, swallow hard, and concentrate on the stations that deserve to be saved.”

For KROQ, Federman and Kaplan express optimism that they can create a new legacy for the station, and perhaps live up to that “World Famous” moniker again. Federman says he would ideally like to see the station do a better job catering to L.A.’s diverse makeup. To that end, the station is launching “Alternalido,” a Sunday night show focused on Latin Alternative music, hosted by KCRW DJ Anthony Valadez. The station is also committed to Stryker & Klein, and plans to add more players to that show shortly.

Will it work? “I’ve predicted KROQ will eventually go Spanish, or talk for a long time,” Baxter wrote in a recent Tweet. “I just don’t see how the Los Angeles market can support so many rock stations. And KROQ is the most niche, and with the worst signal too. Still, I wish them well.”

Los Angeles has seen plenty of legendary radio stations come and go over the years, with call letters like KHJ, KFWB and KMET. In other markets, legacy alternative stations are already long gone, such as New York’s WLIR. Garman, for one, has made peace with the idea that his former employer isn’t what it once was.

“I think everything has a natural life to it, right? And KROQ became the man,” he says. “They became this traditional station because they simply had been around so long. There may be just a natural shelf life for anything: A TV show, a radio show, a station. Some of it may have been unavoidable. But I think they certainly facilitated the end coming quicker than it needed to by making some poor management choices.”

KROQ’s 30 most played songs (March 1 to May 17)
Source: Mediabase
BILLIE EILISH everything i wanted
POWFU Coffee For Your Head
POST MALONE Circles
24KGOLDN City Of Angels
TAME IMPALA Lost In Yesterday
ASHE Moral Of The Story
GROUPLOVE Deleter
AJR Bang!
TWENTY ONE PILOTS Level Of Concern
GLASS ANIMALS Your Love (Deja Vu)
KILLERS Caution
SHAED Trampoline
LOVELYTHEBAND Loneliness For Love
ABSOFACTO Dissolve
KENNYHOOPLA How Will I Rest In Peace If…
CAGE THE ELEPHANT Social Cues
LOVELYTHEBAND Broken
JOJI Run
THE 1975 Somebody Else
TWENTY ONE PILOTS The Hype
DAN LUKE AND THE RAID Fool
INTERRUPTERS She’s Kerosene
THE 1975 Me & You Together Song
MEG MYERS Running Up That Hill
MATT MAESON Hallucinogenics
DOMINIC FIKE 3 Nights
FOSTER THE PEOPLE Sit Next To Me
MGK why are you here
GUARDIN alive
PANIC! AT THE DISCO High Hopes

Bee OK, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 02:30 (three years ago) link

that was quite long, i haven't listened to years. it was a good read and i'm sure corporate radio is dying everywhere these days.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 02:57 (three years ago) link

Asked who he thinks the KROQ audience is, Federman curiously answers who it should be. “The KROQ audience should be about 28-29 years old and ethnically diverse,” says the L.A. native whose business background is in sales and dotcoms (mostly failed, by his own admission).

Mm, wonder why.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 03:16 (three years ago) link

Interesting article — I haven’t listened to radio for so long, I didn’t know that Star 98.7 changed to “Alt.”

KROQ playing new/different music sounds like a good thing after two decades of the same Offspring song every two hours, but sounds like they’ve f’d up most everything else.

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 03:42 (three years ago) link

It's hard to cry about hearing less Sublime and Foo Fighters but replacing them with Post Malone is a fail.

skip, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 04:51 (three years ago) link

lol, agreed

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 05:06 (three years ago) link

tho i don't like much of the current crop of alternative radio hits, the station that the kaplan guy is trying to build would likely be a significant improvement on what it has/had been. the alt adult contemporary model of programming that now predominates in the format has honestly been tragic, possibly even damaging to the legacy of the alternative classics it (over)plays

dyl, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 05:20 (three years ago) link

It's easy to see why they decided to switch to something new. Unfortunately they strung listeners along for years with half measures (a little Sublime/Offspring here, a little Muse there, a little Imagine Dragons and Marshmello for modern taste) so now no one is satisfied with consolidating toward any one subset of their potential playlist.

skip, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link

I truly would be interested if some ILXor would be able to tell me something rte: the appeal of Kevin and Bean. It was for many years the #1 drive time show in the second biggest radio market in the US…but I wanna know if its any different from any drive time show in the rest of the country. I have listened to Howard Stern steadily for 30 years, but…I really have no understanding of the appeal of drive time radio other than his show…I suppose it's like being a Led Zeppelin super fan but being ignorant of Bad Company and Grand Funk and every other hard rock act all the way down to Shinedown or some shit…I listened to Opie and Anthony once and simply could not believe that anyone found this entertaining…

also, there are clearly some acts on the above list that any ILXor knows very well…Billie, Killers, 21 Pilots, Tame Impala, the 1975, and a few others;…but I do not have a handle on many of the others…which is to say, what is an alternative radio format presently trying to achieve and/or reflect, apart from selling ad time? what is the aesthetic? does the demographic mentioned by the GM in the piece listen to whatever this alternative music is supposed to connote? my impression is that hip-hop dominates the desired demographic…

veronica moser, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link

I was never an active Kevin & Bean listener, but there was a period in the early 2000s when I would hear their show regularly (as part of my job), and their appeal was pretty clear to me. They were great on the radio -- the personalities, humor, etc.

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link

i probably know way too much about this radio stuff than i should. probably not as much as morrisp but KROQ was really that important to me growing up and admired what they did in those early years. one of my dreams was programming a big radio station but i was naive and didn't understand the money and politics behind all of it.

i used to listen to Kevin and Bean up until i moved to San Francisco in the summer of 1995. they came on board 01/01/1990. there was just a chemistry there that worked, they played off together so well. Howard Stern was on KLSX, a classic rock station at the time. i couldn't get into Howard as every time i tuned in he was always trying to get girls to take off their clothing. the real elephant in the room for Kevin and Bean was Mark and Brian, they owned the mornings at that time. KROQ had better music than KLOS and they could do tie in with the wennie roast or acoustic Christmas. plus Nirvana.

i moved back in 2003 but really when i put on KROQ it was all about Submine, Red Hot Chill Peppers, Smashing Pumpkins and the Offspring. i only liked one of those acts so i had moved on.

somewhere along the line iheartradio saw an opening and copied what KROQ was doing all those years. they are not playing Post Malone and took away everything that KROQ was. now they don't know what to do and they are throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. it seems like it's not working and the other alt radio station has stolen everything from KROQ including all their listeners.

Bee OK, Thursday, 21 May 2020 00:09 (three years ago) link

Great post, Bee

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Thursday, 21 May 2020 00:46 (three years ago) link

How often does KROQ still play '80s music? When I was growing up listening in the mid-90s the "retro" stuff was Oingo Boingo, New Order, the Cure, etc. They could draw a pretty clear line back from the KROQ origin story to the new music they were playing at the time. It was also easy for them not to swamp the new music they were playing - more like occasional reminders.

Now there's more retro music to choose from and more difference in the sound between the retro music and the new stuff. It's a hell of a lot tougher now for them to draw from a 30 year back catalog while staying relevant with new music, satisfying the longtime listeners, and having a coherent point of view.

I think we would all agree that KROQ shouldn't be an alternative oldies station. They could have pivoted toward, say, the Phoenix aesthetic but that doesn't mix well with Red Hot Chili Peppers. If you insist on playing Under the Bridge every day then that limits your choices for new music.

skip, Thursday, 21 May 2020 04:59 (three years ago) link

I am listening to every song on the above list by artists with whom I am unfamiliar to try to draw some conclusions as to what "alternative" as a mass market radio format comprised of new music, not the classic RHCP/Sublime/Foo iteration, in 2020 and, fuck, like 10 years prior, could amount to, what kind of aesthetic unifies it…if anyone else has some ideas as to what this could be, I would be interested in hearing…

there's also this, in which Mike Kaplan from the Variety piece seems to be dubious that Bille E and Lana del rey has a place on alt radio in NYC, which is hilsrious…

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/18/arts/music/rock-radio.html

veronica moser, Friday, 22 May 2020 14:20 (three years ago) link

Looks like earlier this morning, KROQ played Billie > Smells Like Teen Spirit > Lana (Sublime cover) > RHCP > Daft Punk.

Feels schizophrenic to me, but maybe not to today’s KROQ listener.

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Friday, 22 May 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link

(Alt 98.7’s playlist looks pretty similar; maybe a touch more appealing. Recent run (as of 6:57am): Billie > Pumpkins > Fitz & the Tantrums > Daft Punk. They played “Hey Ya!” earlier in the hour.)

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Friday, 22 May 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link

DJ Shadow, didn't expect that.

skip, Saturday, 23 May 2020 00:26 (three years ago) link

Overall the amount of repetition is pretty mind numbing though. Daft Punk, Foster the People, Rezz & Grabbitz (who?), No Doubt, DJ Shadow, White Stripes, Muse, and Weezer each played twice within a 6 hour period, Fitz & The Tantrums (who?), Linkin Park, Panic at the Disco, the Killers, and Grouplove three times, 21 Pilots five times.

skip, Saturday, 23 May 2020 00:32 (three years ago) link

that's a horrible playlist, they need to play new music and not all these retreads. they should be playing stuff like Perfume Genius, Car Seat Headrest, The 1975... it seems so obvious to me, only playing Billie is not going to cut it.

Bee OK, Saturday, 23 May 2020 01:28 (three years ago) link

Lana (Sublime cover)

this reminds me that i believe the influx of hit covers on alt radio in the past few years to be partly attributable to the format's turn toward the oldies/adult contemporary programming philosophy (see also weezer and meg myers scoring big hits at the format with pretty straightforward readings of "africa" and "running up that hill" respectively)

dyl, Saturday, 23 May 2020 06:21 (three years ago) link

Checking back in on the KROQ & Alt 98.7’s playlists are the end of the day, I see that KROQ also has “Hey Ya!” in rotation. Both stations are playing old Third Eye Blind songs, which is somewhat unexpected.

Alt’s playlist, which looked slightly better this morning (if only for playing a more recent Billie Eilish track) isn’t looking so hot at night. Lotta Offspring.

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Saturday, 23 May 2020 06:27 (three years ago) link

...though they are playing the Bloodhound Gang right now, which is a thumb’s-up in my book.

Inadequate grass (morrisp), Saturday, 23 May 2020 06:29 (three years ago) link

another characteristic of 'alt ac' stations, or at least the one in my city, is their eagerness to play hits from the mainstream/uncool/'pop' phases of a (former) alternative act's run. like, most of the all-american rejects tunes they'll play are specifically the ones that alternative radio barely touched back when they came out

dyl, Saturday, 23 May 2020 06:49 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Billboard’s Hot Rock Songs chart has been rebranded Hot Rock & Alternative Songs as of this week.@twentyonepilots’ "Level of Concern" was the final #1. @Powfu's "Death Bed" is #1 on the 1st issue of the new chart.

— chart data (@chartdata) June 9, 2020

dyl, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 05:10 (three years ago) link

Is there still an Alternative chart?

Charging for Brewskis™ (morrisp), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 05:58 (three years ago) link

yes, the standard airplay chart for that format is still being published

honestly 'hot rock songs' is(/was) just one of the many useless genre charts that have the same methodology as the hot 100 (since 2012) and are thus entirely beholden to the arbitrary decisions that folks at billboard make regarding what songs fit in what genre -- for example, the weeknd's "blinding lights" is perplexingly categorized by billboard staff as an r&b song

obviously, alternative hits were being included on this rock chart in the past as it conventionally went without saying that 'alternative' music is rock music. breaking out 'alternative' in the chart's new title is evidently an admission that, well, it turns out that a decent subset of what's now considered 'alternative' music is not rock. the powfu song that's now #1 was not on the chart until this week -- readers surely would have howled at the suggestion that it's 'rock' -- even tho it's being played primarily at a putatively 'rock' format.

dyl, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 06:26 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

https://variety.com/2021/music/news/kroq-stryker-leaves-ted-kevin-klein-1234992395/?cx_testId=49&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=2#cxrecs_s

Ted Stryker Departs KROQ’s ‘Stryker & Klein’ Morning Show, a Year After Taking Over the ‘Kevin & Bean’ Slot

Bee OK, Thursday, 10 June 2021 03:45 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

https://variety.com/2021/music/news/kroq-kat-corbett-exits-locals-only-kevin-bean-1235034057/?cx_testId=48&cx_testVariant=cx_1&cx_artPos=0#cxrecs_s

As KROQ DJ Kat Corbett Exits, She Reflects on Two Decades at the Station and the Struggles Facing Alternative Radio

Michael Schneider
Tue, August 3, 2021, 8:14 PM

Longtime KROQ DJ Kat Corbett is the latest voice to exit the iconic L.A. alternative radio station — and although she’s not ready to reveal her next stop just yet, she hints to Variety that several possibilities are on the horizon.

“I am talking to some folks that I can’t say just yet,” said Corbett, who also continues to host a daily show on SiriusXM’s Lithium channel. “I think the audio sound space is so amazing right now. Podcasting, fiction podcasting, this stuff is blowing my mind. How I would love to put some of my stories in that arena.” Corbett also hopes to release her debut novel before the end of the year: “They’re rough drafts but I wrote two books during COVID. I was like, what else am I gonna do?”

Corbett had most recently served as a weekend and fill-in DJ for KROQ, in addition to her signature, weekly show “Locals Only,” featuring unsigned and up-and-coming L.A. bands. From 2005 to 2020, Corbett was KROQ’s midday DJ, following the famed “Kevin & Bean Show.”

But “Kevin & Bean” ended its run at the end of 2019, following the departure of Gene “Bean” Baxter. Co-host Kevin Ryder continued until March 2020, when KROQ fired him and co-hosts Allie Mc Kay and Jensen Karp over the phone, in the middle of a pandemic.

More recently, Ted Stryker, co-host of the current morning show, “Stryker & Klein,” also departed the station. The loss of KROQ’s signature stars, coupled with a dramatic shift in the station’s music mix over the past year, has led to several pieces — including one in Variety — dissecting the station’s current choices, ratings plummet and its future.

Corbett, however, had been pondering an exit at KROQ for some time, even prior to the recent departures and changes. She had actually planned to leave, with another show lined up, last year until the COVID-19 pandemic changed everything.

“I was ready to go then because, frankly, I reached the top of my game, and I never thought I’d be somewhere for 20 years — like that’s crazy, let alone KROQ,” said Corbett, pointing to the decision to leave the midday gig. “I’m somebody who really likes to work, I like being creative, and again it’s like, what else was there for me to do? I was never one of those people where I was, ‘I’m going to retire at KROQ.’ That’s not a thing. You grow out of the demo. I knew that there would always be a time. It was definitely happening right before COVID. And then, obviously, everything fell apart and so I already had a home so it was kind of like, [why not ride it out] while I was still there.”

What KROQ now faces is bittersweet, Corbett said, and it’s not just KROQ struggling to maintain relevancy.

“Right now I think alternative radio in general, and not just KROQ, I’m talking across the board, every single outlet is in a state of they don’t know what the hell is going on,” she said. “I think they’re deluding themselves if they think the kids are coming to radio. Kids don’t know what radio is, and they don’t care. And so now you’re alienating your audience by getting rid of all music. Also there’s this big thing, and again across the board in all alternative, where they’re, frankly, pushing hip-hop and pop as alternative, because those two genres, that’s where the money’s at. But the genre is just demolished. I don’t know how to fix it, but it’s just not its own thing anymore.”

Corbett added that she’s not knocking the idea of mixing or evolving genres on alternative radio. She began her career at another legendary modern rock station, Boston’s WFNX, and remembers when outlets like that would mix Public Enemy, Run-D.M.C., De La Soul and Prince with music by the Clash or Dinosaur Jr. The problem now: There’s very little new rock to mix in the other stuff.

“Who’s the next Green Day, who’s the next Nirvana or Rage Against the Machine, where’s that?” she said. “I think rock is in a hard place right now. And the lack of that to mix in, like, current rock is really the problem.”

Of course, the demo that grew up on alternative rock is also the demo still listening to radio, and it’s the struggle of maintaining that core audience via gold-based records — yet attempting to evolve the sound to stay fresh and bring in a new generation — that has put the format in such crisis.

“A lot of times people get mad and they yell and go, ‘KROQ sucks’ or ‘I haven’t listened in years,’ and the reality is, it’s because you’ve gotten older,” Corbett said. “We’re not programming to you, we’re programming to 18-to-34. You’ve literally outgrown the demo, so of course it’s not going to resonate with you. It’s not that the place sucks, it’s just not your thing anymore. Frankly, it’s like I’ve outgrown it. I have other desires and passions. But for all of the time that I’ve been there and the family that I’ve made and the experiences I’ve had, it’s been an incredible place to be.”

Corbett first joined KROQ in the early 2000s from crosstown rival KLYY “Y-107,” a small radio station that attempted to take on Goliath KROQ, but eventually flipped formats to Spanish adult contemporary in 1999.

“Everybody was like, ‘There’s no way you’re getting hired at KROQ, especially not after you worked at Y-107,’” Corbett recalled. “So I hounded [then-program director] Kevin Weatherly until he finally gave me an audition. And the audition was the worst. I hadn’t even seen the studio, and everybody was like, ‘Don’t worry, KROQ, they’re so broke, the studio’s like an old college radio station, you’ll be fine.’ I get in there and they had just gone digital. Which I had never used before. So I got a five-minute lesson from the board op at ‘Loveline’ on how to use Audio Vault.

“I was like, are you kidding me? Is this really how I’m going to try to get a job here? By going on air at KROQ with a system I’ve never seen before? It was an absolute nightmare. I actually cried on the way home after my overnight shift. But you know, thankfully, they heard something.” Corbett began working various shifts until eventually replacing Tami Heide in middays.

And now, although most of her former KROQ colleagues have already left the building, Corbett said she has fond memories of her two decades at the station, including breaking artists like Local Natives, Silversun Pickups and Fitz and the Tantrums on “Locals Only,” and working with a staff she described as “absolute mad geniuses.”

“It was the ‘Island of Misfit Toys,’” she said. “You often hear that phrase about when baseball is working, how it’s just magic. It’s like music. It’s very much like that in radio and we had all known each other for so long. You didn’t have to think about anything, you knew people were gonna get the job done. It was a handoff, like in the middle of chaos, we made it all work. It was a beautiful thing, and it was really exciting and fun and we laughed so much. But little by little, you start losing pieces of the band, and then it doesn’t have that feel anymore. That’s just a natural progression, especially if you’re together for such a long time.”

Bee OK, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 07:13 (two years ago) link

i know i find this KROQ fascinating and just post these strange happenings. i'm a Southern California kid who grew upon KROQ so i document some things here in ILM.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 07:17 (two years ago) link


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