Meanwhile I had Chewaguy to win in the office sweep so there goes a quid thanks luiz xp
― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 14:48 (nine years ago) link
it's funny to me that so many people (not itt, just generally) draw the line at biting.
Ummmmmmmmm, I've been watching football all my life and until the advent of Suarez I'd never seen a player bite another player - not saying it hadn't happened before, but that's a bit like saying "I draw the line at a goalkeeper distracting a penalty taker by balancing a spoon on his nose".
― Tommy McTommy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 14:52 (nine years ago) link
smh jordan
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 25 June 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
Second Captains has been so great the past couple of days - leading with bitey old Suarez in the pre-match build-up yesterday, then getting to do it all over again today in the aftermath!
― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 14:56 (nine years ago) link
but is it worse than and should it be punished more than e.g. any one of a dozen Steven Gerrard leg-breakers?
― Maurice Malpas Holiday Jotter Blues (onimo), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:01 (nine years ago) link
must d/l second captains but its finding the time to listen tbrr
agreed re biting and harm to be caused, but the reason violent conduct like elbow, biting, headbutt, raised fists etc is straight red is that you can't rly claim to have been doing anything as legit as going in and getting it wrong, mistimed or w/e, its p much a nulle prosequi as far as pleading goes
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:04 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/6c1OkgB.png
― 龜, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:07 (nine years ago) link
Ken Early has been killing it on Second Captains recently
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:09 (nine years ago) link
if an alien were to come to earth don't you think he'd find it strange that we allow abortion ot innocent babies but that some people don't believe in the death penalty for murderers???
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link
yall came out with this faux naive /makes u think/ bs the last time he did it
biting is not functionally more grievous than all the other ways u can cause harm to someone, and yes life does indeed feature a variety of hypocrisies, but it is quite obviously taboo in a way the others are not
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:11 (nine years ago) link
k3v otm
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:12 (nine years ago) link
this is reminding me of the enforcer/fighting arguments in hockey
― dan m, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:13 (nine years ago) link
fuck a taboo tbh - if I'm a pro footballer who relies on his legs to make a living I'd rather be spat on or have my shoulder chewed than have my legs broken
you've got Shearer and Savage and Wright calling for life bans when they've all got previous for deliberately attempting to injure opponents - there's some underlying Real Men Go In Hard nonsense with all this that makes it somehow *not* taboo to try to injure an opponent while treating spitters as uncouth vermin who are ruining the game
― Maurice Malpas Holiday Jotter Blues (onimo), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link
you play footie and arms and legs are flailing around. bad tackles and elbows are the violent extreme of that. but teeth are an outside element entirely. that's closer to pulling a sock full of pennies out of your shorts than a studs up leg breaker. whatever the practical consequences of the action, that's why the bite seems so outre imo.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:24 (nine years ago) link
a lot of contrarian pro-biting slatepitching itt
― anonanon, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:29 (nine years ago) link
I think there is a valid question here, which is: Should the severity of the penalty be proportional to the severity of the injury caused (in terms of affecting the victim's ability to play, length of recovery, etc.) or should it take into account the unusual manner in which it was caused?
― o. nate, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
I think there should be lengthy bans for disgusting savages who bite and spit.I think there should be lengthy bans for deliberately dangerous actions that could result in injury.
e.g. this guy wants the book thrown at Suarez but went unpunished for this:http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/2315959/alan-shearer-o.gif
― Maurice Malpas Holiday Jotter Blues (onimo), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link
I guess you're saying biting and spitting deserve more severe penalties than other actions that cause relatively mild injuries because they are more disgusting? But who decides what is disgusting? It's ultimately an aesthetic judgement, isn't it? Genuinely curious. For comparison, Zidane's infamous headbutt was arguably pretty disgusting, but it only earned him a 3-game suspension, which was moot anyway since he retired.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link
who argues that zizou's headbutt was disgusting?
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link
thought the general consensus was WTF? Oh it's Matarazzi. Reasons.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:44 (nine years ago) link
French newspapers's called it "odious" at the time. There was lots of disgust as I recall.
― o. nate, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:44 (nine years ago) link
Thought he returned to a hero's welcome? President and all.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link
onimo i don't think anyone would disagree with that; i do think emphasising the former by way of comparison essentially diminishes the latter tho
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:46 (nine years ago) link
it's like idk, condemning public antisocial disorder by equating extremes of insobriety with covering urself in ur own excrement
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:50 (nine years ago) link
aye I think there are lots of gradations of "dangerous" from flailing arms to elbows to straight leg tackles to headbutts and blatant kicks in the face so it's more difficult to set how people should be punished - like kicking a guy in a mistimed tackle isn't *too* far removed from kicking a guy in a deliberately mistimed tackle.
Spitting and biting can't really be dressed up as anything else so it's understandable it gets an instant lynch mob.
― Maurice Malpas Holiday Jotter Blues (onimo), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:52 (nine years ago) link
what's the game today, bos Iran or arg nga
― gbx, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
arg-nig draw sees them both thru' i think.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link
weird one today - only Iran really need to win to I'd say go with that one but otoh I keep (naively) expecting Argentina to click at some point and destroy the opposition
― Maurice Malpas Holiday Jotter Blues (onimo), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:56 (nine years ago) link
yeah was gonna say am waiting for Argentina to reach lift off
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
i'll start with Messi see if Arg can look a little smoother. Nig were p entertaining vs Bosnia iirc.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link
http://talkingbaws.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/mermaid.jpg
― Number None, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link
I will keep an eye and ear on Bosnia to see if ITV follows the BBC in "Edin Dzeko"-ing it.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link
nice tackle from odemwingie there
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:01 (nine years ago) link
MESSI
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:02 (nine years ago) link
Dzeko without the Edin just now
― Number None, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link
Just about to post that this is the first game Arg have had at WC where Di Maria hasn't been man marked.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link
And then you see what happens
OOFF
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
Moussa 1-1
ok then
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
ooh now Iran only need to win 1-0 if that argy game stays
― Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I'm sticking with Argentina-Nigeria
― ogmor, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
jesus everytime I switch to the other game
― Number None, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:05 (nine years ago) link
I'd see onimos deliberate tackle causing injury and raise it to 'reckless and likely to cause injury' but we've done all this in our excellent ilx thread on the tackle
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:05 (nine years ago) link
Oh his name is Musa not Moussa
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:05 (nine years ago) link
or is it 2?
― Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
Arg-Nga going for 4-4 to avoid arousing suspicion of playing out a boring draw.
― Maurice Malpas Holiday Jotter Blues (onimo), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
christ I can't keep up
― Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:07 (nine years ago) link
oh fuck off i turn on 6 minutes in and its 1-1 already? i r so annoyed, its gonna be shit now isn't it
― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:07 (nine years ago) link
Iran gd -1Nigeria gd +1
― pandemic, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 16:07 (nine years ago) link