srsly imma start a thread re false equivelancy complaints
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link
morrissey, 1984: "the sorrow of the IRA brighton bombing is that thatcher escaped unscathed."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 22:48 (nine years ago) link
well ilx isn't gonna blink at that
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 22:50 (nine years ago) link
i got no ish with wishing harm on actual bad people
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
"I hope Johnny Rogan dies in a motorway pile-up."
"I don't drive."
"I hope Johnny Rogan dies in a hotel fire."
― OutdoorFish, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 22:52 (nine years ago) link
if you'd wished death on Hitler in 1938 wd that have made you as bad as Hitler? not relevant here, just nailing down the logic
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link
Jesus Christ two Eurovision triumphs and no harm ever done on anyone
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link
XP what value does a death wish have in this logic
i think the rascist thing is a decoy, it's not like everyone on here has never had a rascist thought. it's a little too much to take. he has done other stuff that is equally as bad or worse. why this white liberal differentiation?
― OutdoorFish, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link
xp
i dunno i'm just exploring Turrican's maleficic calculus
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link
I was told at work to stop wishing death on other employees and I asked why, had it started working
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 22:56 (nine years ago) link
maybe if it was like a hearty and cordial wishing it wd be ok
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:00 (nine years ago) link
I'm certainly usually visibly cheered by the fuckin prospect
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:05 (nine years ago) link
right chuffed are ye
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link
good effort, good effort
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:07 (nine years ago) link
Tell it like it is, it is sophomoric peasant stupidity and anything above that is too fucking generous.
― xelab, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:18 (nine years ago) link
oi m8
ask xelab
― avicii usque ad arse (imago), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:20 (nine years ago) link
Too embarrassed to even look, feel like dying.
― xelab, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link
aw :(
― avicii usque ad arse (imago), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:24 (nine years ago) link
it's all <3 on ILX xcept for the usual todgers
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
― xelab, Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:18 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The logic is quite simple:
If you wish death on someone, I'll think you're a cunt.If you're a racist, I'll think you're a cunt.
Since I've established in my mind that xelab is a cunt, I'll happily settle for being a "stupid, sophomoric peasant" in his. No biggie.
― ...and the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe and SAW! (Turrican), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
you didn't elucidate the Hitler thing tho
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:26 (nine years ago) link
i mean you understand the notion that wishing death on someone implies that they may be considered worthy of moral censure whereas racism is immoral top to bottom, right?
"my agitas" !!!
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:29 (nine years ago) link
"rascist" is the most puzzling misspelling
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:30 (nine years ago) link
like, one of those things is a largely rhetorical device to express the strongest possible disapproval of a person, possibly on ethical grounds, whereas the other is dimwitted attribution of negative qualities to a vast group of unidentified people based on perceived phenotypes?
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:31 (nine years ago) link
if correctly diagnosed
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:32 (nine years ago) link
a slightly more complex point but i'm addressing the statements as argued
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link
a fixation on an idealized british past which has over time turned into a sort of creepy nationalism.
this is racism, right? how can it not be racism?
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link
true, XP and non xp
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:34 (nine years ago) link
bet he blames his Irish blood for the racism
yeh really he's just pining for the days before dammit i was gonna say Henry II but tbh you had Vikings running amok before we got our oar in
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:36 (nine years ago) link
that tricky moment when you try to work out who was the original peoples who sprung fully formed from the soil before all the waves of outcomers fetched up
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:37 (nine years ago) link
I need da croupier to return and work up an entire parody of my adidas. or at least a verse.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:39 (nine years ago) link
formorians iirc can't recommend the prehistory legends enough tbh
― leave the web boys alone (darraghmac), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:39 (nine years ago) link
god, the internet makes people so awful. except for morrissey. he was awful before the internet.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:40 (nine years ago) link
i remember bits of that stuff either from learning to decipher Finnegans Wake or from playing Tir Na Nog on the Spectrum, most likely the latter
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link
something bout y'all being Phoenicians or Spaniards or something too
irish blood racist heart
― strychnine, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:42 (nine years ago) link
Carthaginian Blood, Formorian Heart wd've been more fun to scan
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:42 (nine years ago) link
well i don't think morrissey's 'fixation on an idealized past' would be very similar to that of the national front (or churchill, or whoever). he's not nostalgic for the empire, he's nostalgic for a made-up fantasy britain based on all the cultural stuff he likes. but there's no denying that there seems to be a link between that and the nationalistic streak he's displayed since, which otherwise seems hard to fathom given his professed socialism, anti-royalism, etc.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:45 (nine years ago) link
I feel like European nationalism always contains at least a grain of the idea of "national stock," which is imaginary, of course, but it imagines a racial aspect of Englishness or frenchness or whatever.(In france, isn't it "de souche"?) I mean, maybe not always, but the origins of European nationalism are in this idea, right?
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:48 (nine years ago) link
the nation state is locked into that idea imo
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:49 (nine years ago) link
otherwise it wd just be a state
I was trying to not get all nationalism is racism, man, but yeah
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:51 (nine years ago) link
― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:31 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Speaking as a white British person whose stepmother is Asian (and has siblings who are mixed race), and whose girlfriend is also Asian, it's safe to say that I do understand the difference, and certainly if a person was to haul ethnic slurs their way I'd be understandably incensed. Would I wish death on that person, though? Certainly not, but I'd most definitely think that person was a cunt.
― ...and the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe and SAW! (Turrican), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:52 (nine years ago) link
I mean, to say Morrissey's "you can't help but feel the Chinese are a subspecies" didn't go down well with me is an understatement. It very much angered me. But even with that in mind, I could never bring myself to sit here and say "I hope that fucker dies".
― ...and the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe and SAW! (Turrican), Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:57 (nine years ago) link
Not sure that having Asians in the family qualifies you as being able to say anything other than that you have Asians in the family tbh
― 龜, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:58 (nine years ago) link
He said "Speaking as" not "I have a qualification"
― Mark G, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 23:59 (nine years ago) link
it's a little weird how several people in this thread have noted regretfully that "the Chinese are a subspecies" is the most damning thing Morrissey has said and then gone on to say he's not that bad/it's not clear that he's racist. what exactly does a person have to do to count as racist, then? is it that there's only one totally clear-cut remark? it's enough, isn't it? it almost seems like people are noting it and then overlooking it.
i say this as someone who has every Smiths lyric memorized for life, btw.
― horseshoe, Wednesday, 25 June 2014 00:03 (nine years ago) link