Morrissey really seriously ill?

Wishing death upon someone is just as shitcuntish as being racist, IMO.

would be a good ilx poll

other possible options:

demurring in an RIP thread
not tipping enough
something about privilege
Luis suarez

Wishing death upon someone is just as shitcuntish as being racist, IMO.

OK GUYS, FALSE EQUIVALENCY BINGO STARTS HERE, EYES DOWN LOOKING IN FOR A FULL HOUSE

srsly imma start a thread re false equivelancy complaints

morrissey, 1984: "the sorrow of the IRA brighton bombing is that thatcher escaped unscathed."

well ilx isn't gonna blink at that

i got no ish with wishing harm on actual bad people

"I hope Johnny Rogan dies in a motorway pile-up."

"I don't drive."

"I hope Johnny Rogan dies in a hotel fire."

if you'd wished death on Hitler in 1938 wd that have made you as bad as Hitler? not relevant here, just nailing down the logic

Jesus Christ two Eurovision triumphs and no harm ever done on anyone

XP what value does a death wish have in this logic

i think the rascist thing is a decoy, it's not like everyone on here has never had a rascist thought. it's a little too much to take. he has done other stuff that is equally as bad or worse. why this white liberal differentiation?

xp

i dunno i'm just exploring Turrican's maleficic calculus

I was told at work to stop wishing death on other employees and I asked why, had it started working

maybe if it was like a hearty and cordial wishing it wd be ok

I'm certainly usually visibly cheered by the fuckin prospect

right chuffed are ye

good effort, good effort

i dunno i'm just exploring Turrican's maleficic calculus

Tell it like it is, it is sophomoric peasant stupidity and anything above that is too fucking generous.

oi m8

ask xelab

Too embarrassed to even look, feel like dying.

aw :(

it's all <3 on ILX xcept for the usual todgers

Tell it like it is, it is sophomoric peasant stupidity and anything above that is too fucking generous.

― xelab, Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:18 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The logic is quite simple:

If you wish death on someone, I'll think you're a cunt.
If you're a racist, I'll think you're a cunt.

Since I've established in my mind that xelab is a cunt, I'll happily settle for being a "stupid, sophomoric peasant" in his. No biggie.

you didn't elucidate the Hitler thing tho

i mean you understand the notion that wishing death on someone implies that they may be considered worthy of moral censure whereas racism is immoral top to bottom, right?

"my agitas" !!!

"rascist" is the most puzzling misspelling

like, one of those things is a largely rhetorical device to express the strongest possible disapproval of a person, possibly on ethical grounds, whereas the other is dimwitted attribution of negative qualities to a vast group of unidentified people based on perceived phenotypes?

if correctly diagnosed

a slightly more complex point but i'm addressing the statements as argued

a fixation on an idealized british past which has over time turned into a sort of creepy nationalism.

this is racism, right? how can it not be racism?

true, XP and non xp

bet he blames his Irish blood for the racism

yeh really he's just pining for the days before dammit i was gonna say Henry II but tbh you had Vikings running amok before we got our oar in

that tricky moment when you try to work out who was the original peoples who sprung fully formed from the soil before all the waves of outcomers fetched up

I need da croupier to return and work up an entire parody of my adidas. or at least a verse.

formorians iirc can't recommend the prehistory legends enough tbh

god, the internet makes people so awful. except for morrissey. he was awful before the internet.

xp

i remember bits of that stuff either from learning to decipher Finnegans Wake or from playing Tir Na Nog on the Spectrum, most likely the latter

something bout y'all being Phoenicians or Spaniards or something too

irish blood racist heart

Carthaginian Blood, Formorian Heart wd've been more fun to scan

well i don't think morrissey's 'fixation on an idealized past' would be very similar to that of the national front (or churchill, or whoever). he's not nostalgic for the empire, he's nostalgic for a made-up fantasy britain based on all the cultural stuff he likes. but there's no denying that there seems to be a link between that and the nationalistic streak he's displayed since, which otherwise seems hard to fathom given his professed socialism, anti-royalism, etc.

I feel like European nationalism always contains at least a grain of the idea of "national stock," which is imaginary, of course, but it imagines a racial aspect of Englishness or frenchness or whatever.(In france, isn't it "de souche"?) I mean, maybe not always, but the origins of European nationalism are in this idea, right?

the nation state is locked into that idea imo

otherwise it wd just be a state

I was trying to not get all nationalism is racism, man, but yeah

like, one of those things is a largely rhetorical device to express the strongest possible disapproval of a person, possibly on ethical grounds, whereas the other is dimwitted attribution of negative qualities to a vast group of unidentified people based on perceived phenotypes?

― clockpuncher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:31 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Speaking as a white British person whose stepmother is Asian (and has siblings who are mixed race), and whose girlfriend is also Asian, it's safe to say that I do understand the difference, and certainly if a person was to haul ethnic slurs their way I'd be understandably incensed. Would I wish death on that person, though? Certainly not, but I'd most definitely think that person was a cunt.

I mean, to say Morrissey's "you can't help but feel the Chinese are a subspecies" didn't go down well with me is an understatement. It very much angered me. But even with that in mind, I could never bring myself to sit here and say "I hope that fucker dies".

Not sure that having Asians in the family qualifies you as being able to say anything other than that you have Asians in the family tbh