Morrissey really seriously ill?

haha yeah the cutoff point for me is Vauxhall. although I did enjoy his autobio.

I do like how questioning NME's journalistic integrity is a FPable offense tho

xp

I thought You are the Quarry was pretty good.

Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

you are the quarry brought me back into the Moz fold but it was also one of those albums wherein the unexpected enjoyment I got somehow didn't make me any more interested in the follow ups. it felt like a decent summing up of his typical themes done in a very good, final way for me.

I preferred the 2009 album but boy was his voice starting to go

Was/Is Morrissey Racist?

^^^ shd be like the "Is Abe Vigoda Dead Yet?" of ILX

"STILL RACIST"

Xp re the nme he did say those things tho? I always find "out of context" a weird one unless the context was "i do not believe the following racist shit I'm about to say"

I thought You are the Quarry was pretty good.

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It was pretty empty for a rock album, tbh; as if everything valuable had been excavated

Xp re the nme he did say those things tho? I always find "out of context" a weird one unless the context was "i do not believe the following racist shit I'm about to say"

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Yeah it's like arguing the Donald Sterling stuff is 'questionable' because it was reported by TMZ

I hope he recovers from his aidscancerulcerupsetstomachdepression.

yeah i felt like William Shirer had an axe to grind but

i for one would like to hear what gary oldman has to say about morrissey

"First of the Gang to Die" was probably the last Morrissey song I found listenable.

see, how can he be racist when he was so overcome with affection for his latin-american fanbase that he rewrote "jet song" for them

lol

the NME stuff just isn't clear-cut imo, certainly not as clear as Donald Sterling (there's no actual audio available for one thing). the "reggae is vile" comment is not explicitly racist, I don't think, although it's certainly not an opinion I share. The immigrants-are-ruining-English-culture thing seems murky too - there were lawsuits, the writer insisted on removing his name from the story, etc. And the NME's clearly had it in for Morrissey for quite awhile, this is one case where I don't think his persecution complex is entirely unwarranted (tbf if I was the NME it would be hard not to resist winding up Morrissey)

xxxp

I think the Was/Is Morrissey Racist? thread was how I discovered ilx. I had that one thread bookmarked for ages before I realised that it was just part of a site that discussed other things too. It's a classic. A lot of big names.

*cough* http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/morrissey-i-nearly-voted-for-ukip-i-like-nigel-farage-a-great-deal-8446651.html *cough*

you xp's make me sick, all this lolling/apologism - go fuck yourselves and listen to nothing but this shitcunt for the rest of your lives, it is all you fucking deserve arseholes.

idk who that is but ok

shitcunt?

is that some kind of British pastry or something?

Morrissey is on ILX?

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I have a rockabilly haircut

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UKIP are a definitely not racist political party that stand on an anti-immigration, anti-EU platform

xelab there's a thread for you btw

I don't think he's some far-right crank some seem eager to make him out to be. The "sub-species" comment seems the most indefensible, everything else seems to have been driven by NME which makes things sort of questionable. I understand reading "Bengali in Platforms" as racist but it's open to interpretation imho (is the narrator being patronizing, or admonishing, etc. it isn't really obvious), it's hardly "One in a Million". At any rate vilifying him only feeds into his persecution complex so keep it up guys

i agree w/ this. morrissey is obv a jerk who's said tons of stupid things, which makes it tempting to put the worst possible spin on everything he says, but i don't think most of this evidence adds up to him being mel gibson. that said, no denying he's gotten nastier and more unpleasant with time: he's pretty much a crank with a fixation on an idealized british past which has over time turned into a sort of creepy nationalism.

and obv it ought to go without saying that you can like the smiths and be appalled by morrissey as a person, just like you don't have to throw out your beatles records because john lennon once told brian epstein he ought to call his autobiography 'queer jew.'

Even if the NME stuff was all lies and slander sponsored by the Beef Council, dude is still a jackass who's has shown an unapologetic fascination with racist iconography and a glib-to-toxic disrespect for any ethnic group that makes his radar outside of a meet-and-greet line. Dude's a hall-of-fame lyricist/singer imo (if long past his prime) but i can't fathom why one would need to quibble on just how much of a racist he is, he's close enough to earn a "fuck that guy."

"We Hate It When Our Friends Become Shitcunts"
"You're the One For Me, Shitcunt"

Not really sure what is going on but always happy to see the indiscriminate fling of a 'shitcunt'

but srsly is he on anyone's deathpool

Shitcuntry Gates

Wishing death upon someone is just as shitcuntish as being racist, IMO.

*cough* http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/morrissey-i-nearly-voted-for-ukip-i-like-nigel-farage-a-great-deal-8446651.html *cough*

That interview's the most open he's been about his fucked up politics. Liking Farage is the least of it. Original article:

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but srsly is he on anyone's deathpool

this is what i was wondering yesterday

Wishing death upon someone is just as shitcuntish as being racist, IMO.

would be a good ilx poll

other possible options:

demurring in an RIP thread
not tipping enough
something about privilege
Luis suarez

Wishing death upon someone is just as shitcuntish as being racist, IMO.

OK GUYS, FALSE EQUIVALENCY BINGO STARTS HERE, EYES DOWN LOOKING IN FOR A FULL HOUSE

srsly imma start a thread re false equivelancy complaints

morrissey, 1984: "the sorrow of the IRA brighton bombing is that thatcher escaped unscathed."

well ilx isn't gonna blink at that

i got no ish with wishing harm on actual bad people

"I hope Johnny Rogan dies in a motorway pile-up."

"I don't drive."

"I hope Johnny Rogan dies in a hotel fire."

if you'd wished death on Hitler in 1938 wd that have made you as bad as Hitler? not relevant here, just nailing down the logic

Jesus Christ two Eurovision triumphs and no harm ever done on anyone

XP what value does a death wish have in this logic

i think the rascist thing is a decoy, it's not like everyone on here has never had a rascist thought. it's a little too much to take. he has done other stuff that is equally as bad or worse. why this white liberal differentiation?

xp

i dunno i'm just exploring Turrican's maleficic calculus

I was told at work to stop wishing death on other employees and I asked why, had it started working

maybe if it was like a hearty and cordial wishing it wd be ok