Classic or Dud: "Ladies and Gentlemen..WEEN!"

Classic.

Amazing. I'm calling the cops

new freeman album is vintage

It's definitely at least rather good, possibly moreso.

yeah I guess I better order a copy

didnt know he had a new album out.

"one more" is genius. wonder if gene's picked up some serious chops?

I think a lot of these songs would be better with Dean on them and I'm kind of surprised how very tame this is (given some of his comments), but there's definitely a high level of craftsmanship here, I think this'll hold up well

They're back

http://ween.com/

will probably just be a one-off thing

hope it's because they want to do it and not because they need the money.

i mean, that's cool too, i just want these guys to be happy

Freeman is still workin on LP2. Hopefully they can continue with both.

Always thought "Your Party" was really funny, doesn't actually make me laugh but the image of a certain type of wealthy adult it paints is so perfect. No idea if there is a genre or band that makes music like that.

When I was first getting into Ween, I was reading that a lot of their lyrics were extremely offensive and I only have 6 albums and I didn't run into much of that.
The only thing I can think of is the "The HIV Song" and "Slow Down Boy" (which sounds like Anthony And The Johnsons and repeats "his love is young")

Mister Richard Smoker, certainly?

yeah given their reputation that's the only song I can really think of that's outwardly offensive. They have a lot of vulgar tunes but I can't imagine people being bothered by them...they're not like Zappa, for instance

even "The HIV Song"...I mean, don't you have to read into that a bit? it has no lyrics!

Piss Up A Rope?

I agree that 'Your Party' is one of their funniest songs. Almost any serious-minded, rapturous embrace of banality is good for a laugh, I find, but the hushed lyrics and decadent music kick it up a notch. You'd think he were singing about a coke-fueled orgy rather than a casual get together where everyone is wearing chinos and eating salmon puffs.

You fucked up, you bitch, you really fucked up
You fucked up, you fuckin' nazi whore
Well, you dicked me over but now you'll pay
You fucked up, ahh!

You fucked up, you bitch, you really fucked up
You fucked up, you sloppy little shit, bitch, ahh
Well, you dicked me over but now you'll pay
You fucked up, ahh!

In "Your Party" it does seem to me as if they are the sort of people who go to upper middle class swinger parties but this is just a nice quiet one for them. Reminds me of that film The New Age starring Peter Weller and Judy Davis, but without the spiritual crisis.

Re: the other topic, I wouldn't waste any time arguing with someone who found Ween offensive. It's a subjective thing but also that's kinda what they were going for at times.

I had read about them being accused of sexism and racism, not just gross stuff.

OK sexism I guess I can understand, but racism?

even sexism is hard to make a strong case for. the point of You Fucked Up is the narrator's inarticulacy in the face of specific emotional hurt, not anything about a gender.

i thought the point was the narrator's "inarticulacy" in the face of being a fucking moron with nothing to say about anything

I seem to recall it was about one of the teachers in their high school who had given them a hard time in class, they were 14/15 when they wrote it; maybe best not to stare too deeply into that particular lyrical pool.
'Don't Get 2 Close 2 My Fantasy' on the other hand...

yeah I honestly can't tell if that one's really sinister or "Buckingham Green"-type lyrical nonsense

It's dark and gross, but it's not sinister.

it's certainly sinister - that's the whole point, really - but i can't imagine many being offended by it

I mean, the narrator is sinister, but Ween aren't trying to promote pedophilia or anything.

Spinal Meningitis is probably the worst one they have along those lines...not offensive but really really bleak. I heard someone try to cast it as them making fun of people with the disease but I can't read it that way at all.

That's the first one that comes to mind when I think 'potentially offensive Ween song'.

it goofs on horror for sickly lols. that solo tho.

^ apt description of every Ween song ever

who is expected to be offended by Spinal Meningitis, very stupid Christians?

Parents of children with spinal meningitis?

People who can't, or at least don't like to, deal with unpleasant subjects bluntly?

social justice worriers?

it's not blunt, though. it's expressing careful, crafted empathy to sufferers of, or adjacent to, the condition.

if parents of children with spinal meningitis were fans enough of Ween to make it to an album track on their fourth LP, they had probably been through enough tough times to find mordant charm and gallows humour in the song

getting xposts on zing but can't see them obv

although I just checked and it was track two side one, they didn't have to make it too far

was thinking it wasn't until side two

That song is really disturbing (regardless of being offensive or not), gets to me in a way that none of that type of music does.

yeah I have a real difficult time listening to it. kinda hate that they perform it live so much.

The 33 1/3 book on Chocolate and Cheese gives a lot of insight to how they think about they're lyrics. Jumps from from the sincere to the stoned through a range of quite personal points of references. It's kind of what makes their lyrics great; once you tune into the language and attitude you start to understand it.

'their lyrics'

yeah I have a real difficult time listening to it. kinda hate that they perform it live so much.

Don't get this tbh.

what part of it? it's a song about a small child going through medical treatment - it disturbs me

You're obv. a lot more sensitive than me!

Disturbing is a feature, not a bug.

Yeah it's nothing against them, just hits me in a weird place is all

The first time I heard Spinal Meningitis I wondered if I had made a huge mistake by getting into Ween and could ever listen to that song again

Don't get this tbh.

― Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Wednesday, June 8, 2016 12:59 PM (Yesterday)

eh, most people have a vaguely-defined threshold past which enjoyably weird & creepy becomes upsetting, not funny at all. first time i heard "22 going on 23" by the butthole surfers, it threw me quite forcefully over that line, and i've never since wanted to hear it again. to say nothing of throbbing gristle's "hamburger lady"...

You will probably not be surprised to learn I love both those songs.