We need a thread for the FARGO TV show yah? Oh, yah!

he says something like "you got closer than anybody ever has." meaning... you got closer to killing me than anybody has?

I was confused by that too, bf agrees with you and said thats what he meant. I didnt twig at first the little key was the handcuff key either. Whys he want him to be able to escapeso he can "look him up later"? I was a bit baffled at that bit.

His organisation have all been killed by Malvo, he's deaf and his partner (more than business?) is dead. Dude is alone and nothing to look forward to than a life in jail - I figured Malvo thought it would make them even, unwritten hitman code and all that.

That makes sense. I forgot to link all that to the mad shooting spree in the office thing. a lot happened in the last couple eps.

Malvo never got his money off the supermarket guy did he? Figured he was doing all that more for a chuckle than the cash though.

i have a grim suspicion that the show sees malvo as a kind of motivationless "joker" character which is just... ugh

malvo is sort of a Chigurh character. show feels like a "greatest hits of the cohen themes" mashup.

this last episode tho -- such a bleak ending

All caught up now and this fucking show

i miss when malvo seemed more puckish (goading the kid to piss in the gas tank) rather than just a guy who blasts holes through everything at the drop of a hat

i liked the idea that he was a principled, crafty hitman who was capable of the occasional murder of pique, but now he's this angel of death who marches through public spaces offing people without a second thought

while a handful of good actors survey the wreckage with a solemn "oh jeez"

I can't remember what he Malvo said but didn't he explain why he was giving Wrench the key immediately before doing so?

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YEah that latest episode, man. Cant wait to see how it all unravels in the last episode.

that scene where malvo turns up at molly's dad's place was brilliant.

it was a hitchcock type scene where pure evil is pitted against a benevolent type.

Loved Lester thinking about the orange coat and dressing his wife in it. I still think if he avoids getting killed and Malvo does then he can get away with it all.

I reckon Malvo will get him, but what villainy if he gets away with this shit!

Edit: Molly will save him from Malvo and get him after killing Malvo.

that scene where malvo turns up at molly's dad's place was brilliant.

Yes, that was great. How immediately he knew the guy was evil/up to no good. Hence the comment about seeing the less-than-animal in serial killers. He knew, and he knew Malvo knew.

xelab: yeah that'd be the best ending but the show's been bleak enough I wouldnt put it past them for something way more awful to happen (Gus dies/Molly dies/Lester kills Malvo and gets away with the lot/etc)

A bleak ending would be unforgivable, but yeah it might on the way.

Maybe Mr Wrench will come back and kill everyone and then sign "screw you guys, yah?" over their inert corpses.

Hah! That would be cool! Or if he came back for Malvo and murdered him for being a condescending prick!

was pretty disappointed we didn't get a malvo/solverson/fbi standoff in the cafe. getting EXTREMELY wound up by malvo's sixth sense bullshit. what was that line about the garden of eden? he's not going to get his comeuppance, though, is he.

It's being described as "last episode in the season" (as opposed to "last episode"), which might have some impact on how it pans out.

Season 2 touted as all new characters/storyline though.

yeah, i think they're doing standalone plotlines and casts each season

Ah, okay - hadn't seen that.

I imagine there'll be some minor plot point that calls back to this season, as with the buried money.

was pretty disappointed we didn't get a malvo/solverson/fbi standoff in the cafe

I dunno, I liked the suspense of his wary standoff with Molly's dad and then leaving-as-she-arrived thing. I know its a bit cliched.

in the end, some good performances but it really did become a dour slog

wait so gus figures out where malvo's hideout by asking a wolf where it is

that is how the case got solved

and alison tolman's out of the frame, pushed out of the climax by the script as cruelly as sandra bullock in demolition man

the elusive and supernatural malvo, suddenly made flesh, reeling with pain, methodically mending himself in excruciating closeup, oh hi it's gus, bang bang

FARGO

IT'S MY THING
SHE GETS TO BE CHIEF

and alison tolman's out of the frame, pushed out of the climax by the script as cruelly as sandra bullock in demolition man

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i read an interview with the creator where he explained that there was a little meta element of them flashing forward and the viewer going 'oh so it WILL be a pregnant cop that saves the day' and they wanted to subvert that expectation. but i can definitely understand having that thought too.

i don't know if shooting malvo about 50 times while he's incapacitated on a sofa is really "saving the day" :/

::rolls eyes:: i was referring to the expectation of what she'd do, not what Gus ended up doing

always disappointed when writers don't have a better reason to do something than "subverting expectations." It's one thing if the desire to be unpredictable leads to a unpredictably fulfilling, but otherwise it just feels like vanity.

fittingly, dude's getting a lot of grief for announcing he wanted "mike yamagita" moments - but thinking that meant little bits of coeny rando, rather than lateral moments of revelation and plot advancement. admittedly i didn't realize the logic for the sccene when i first saw it, but i was a teenager and not running a TV series based on it.

There's an aspect of Molly be shunted to the side i could have gotten behind, esp tied to her anecdote to lester, but the whole climax was so sloppy i don't want to do to much thinking for the writers.

leads to an unpredictably fulfilling moment, i mean

yeah i'm not defending the overall vision at all, just noting what i read. it's been a while since i've been this annoyed at myself for sticking with a show through the whole season, in some ways i really found this show appalling.

there's definitely something in molly consenting to gus' request, then gus doing some macho take-out of malvo anyway and the two just glumly accepting what went down and scooting off to a tv dinner, but "gus senses the wolf's call, spots malvo taking leave, decides to wait for him to come home instead of telling anyone the suspect is on the loose, blasts him to hades on his couch and everyone just accepts the choices of the executioner mailman without qualm" is such a dumb way to do it

i dug a lot of the performances (though let's never ask keegan michael key to play a knockoff agent cooper again, please) but it was ersatz Coen to a fault by the end

if he'd named the show 8 Heads In A Duffel Bag, then I'd have been pleasantly surprised by the outcome

after he got shot i kind of wanted billy bob's face to CGI-morph into al pacino's

yeah far too often the show reminded me of the more curdled Very Bad Things end of the murderous black comedies that came into vogue after Fargo's success

yeah it's funny that "well, somebody's seen fargo" would have been a slam of a movie 15 years ago but now "somebody's seen fargo!" is a TV selling point

so let me get this straight, the show's main writer based the climax on what he imagined my memories of an 18-year-old movie would be?? thanks guy, total curveball, you did it

for the record pretty much the only thing i remember about fargo the movie is the trunk of somebody's car opening one time

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#FargoSeason2

i did like the evolution of bob oedenkerk's character and i'm always glad to see keith carradine but honestly its bigger news if I DON'T appreciate the presence of Bob Oedenkerk and Keith carradine on your show