I do enjoy the critical thinking parts of my mind that were unlocked by learning CS theory and programming over a period of time, but it really chafes me to see software developers think that they're able to solve non-software societal problems with that toolkit
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:09 (nine years ago) link
professional googlers
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link
Oh, I forgot that one. Software Architect. Classic.
I much rather SysAdmin, coder, developer, webmonkey/webmaster, script kiddie
Mind you, my end goal is probably to be a 'Software Architect', so I should lol carefully
― ∞, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link
yeah, really smart or tricky code makes you seem like a wizard but what it really makes you is an asshole if it's ever meant to be maintained
pretty sure my coding style has gotten progressively dumber on purpose
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link
^^ thank you
― sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:11 (nine years ago) link
I think software/systems architect is a fine title, even if my actual designs-buildings-and-structures friend recoils in disgust. I hate when people introduce themselves as "architects" without the qualifier.
Now, the part of the business where people use "architect" as a verb... not so good.
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:12 (nine years ago) link
I do enjoy the critical thinking parts of my mind that were unlocked by learning CS theory and programming over a period of time, but it really chafes me to see software developers think that they're able to solve non-software societal problems with that toolkit― a strange man (mh), Monday, June 9, 2014 5:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― ∞, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:12 (nine years ago) link
they probably also think they can throw together that application in a matter of a few days
programmers are horrible estimators
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:13 (nine years ago) link
working with computers makes people feel very powerful because computers are powerful
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:13 (nine years ago) link
bring back punch cards
― sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link
ya, it's just funny because in canada you're not really allowed to use "software engineer", because, well, you're not an engineer. but in the states, it's quite common
― ∞, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:15 (nine years ago) link
I feel like 'engineer' is fair
― sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link
you are designing and building something more abstract, but you are still designing and building something
I should be a software architect because I have all the artistic pretensions that building architects have
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link
interesting how engineer and developer have become prominent as the job has become less about programing
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
you should be an engineering software architect or an architecture software engineer.
― sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
my dad once purchased landscaping software from a barnes & noble. i sometimes think about the people who developed that software.
― sufi john paxson (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
i dunno, engineering would imply a discipline that's way more predictable than software. there's no ISO manual you can check that tells you the number of tests you need per 1,000 lines of java.
― ugh (lukas), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link
They might as well claim to be 'magicians of our modern age' and finish the job.
― Aimless, Monday, 9 June 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link
pretty sure metrics for unit test coverage in large companies are getting there
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link
Yeah but are they as useful as "minimum cross-section for structs on suspension bridge given expected load" etc etc, I mean physical engineers actually know things
― ugh (lukas), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:48 (nine years ago) link
Programmers - the next job to become demand-weakened by too many people who enjoy it ad thus do it for free
― Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Monday, 9 June 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link
That will never happen, I don't believe there are enough psychos out there who also love programming that'll fit the demand
― Nhex, Monday, 9 June 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link
as a cs student, I'm really not feeling the hyperactive "hackathon/build a startup in a day/be the next zuckerberg" horseshit mentality that i fear dominates. I mean, it's obvious that I'm doing this in order to get a job, why do i have to care about forming a startup
― brimstead, Monday, 9 June 2014 20:20 (nine years ago) link
it's difficult, because you do need to keep up on new technologies and development practices, but to do so you end up viewing/reading/attending material that has an overlap with people who are WE ALL MUST MAKE NEW BUSINESSES and it's irritating
I guess the larger tech-oriented gatherings don't have that problem, but then you're at Microsoft's Build conference or JavaOne or whatever the fuck people go to these days
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
Every year my dad never fails to ask me to go to this one Oracle conference with him
― ∞, Monday, 9 June 2014 21:20 (nine years ago) link
on the bright side, the huge corporate ones usually have really cheesy entertainment
I think I went to one yeeeears ago with Mini Kiss, Battlebots, and a Rolling Stones cover band.
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 9 June 2014 21:21 (nine years ago) link
Silicon Valley Techno-Utopianism
― ₴HABΔZZ ¶IZZΔ (Hurting 2), Monday, 9 June 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
Guilty as charged.
― Chewshabadoo, Monday, 9 June 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
Can I still charge by the hour though?
^Just call yourself a consultant instead of a freelancer and you should be good
― ∞, Monday, 9 June 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link
programming as a carer
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Monday, 9 June 2014 22:54 (nine years ago) link
Being a programmer means being the smartest guy in the room while taking requirements from the dumbest guy in the room.
― calstars, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 19:52 (nine years ago) link
If I had to do it all again...I wouldn't.
― calstars, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 19:53 (nine years ago) link
Can we swap careers? Because I can tell you that doing IT support for 15 years has sucked way more than I imagine being a programmer would have.
― wackness unlimited (snoball), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 19:56 (nine years ago) link
xp the zuck is definitely portrayed as an asshole in The Social Network, but his attitude toward those twins was basically otm and well aligned with your feelings I am guessing.
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 19:57 (nine years ago) link
Programmers are the magicians of the modern age
― calstars, Sunday, June 8, 2014 2:36 PM
― Aimless, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 19:59 (nine years ago) link
I wish I had have given up on both attempts at programming and IT careers long before they happened
― Nhex, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 20:06 (nine years ago) link
On my desk at work I have five (count 'em) Blackberrys rebuilding while I curse the chimps who made BES.
― wackness unlimited (snoball), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 20:12 (nine years ago) link
otm
i'd love to know what i was doing now in the alternate universe where i never thought "spending every evening staring at the computer" was in any way sufficient grounding for an attempted (flunked) CS degree or IT career
― club mate martyr (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
I'm going to be doing a lot less programming per se, after finally having mastered Windows desktop app development (after yeeeears of mostly-backend web development and deployment) I have accepted a position as an enterprise service bus developer. So I'll be connecting services and defining queues and working with project teams to determine how to hook their projects up to the ecosystem.
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 20:35 (nine years ago) link
fwiw I don't think I've ever felt a business client was dumb, although moments where they might not understand the concepts they're asking for me to implement has definitely happened
I wish all the luck to anyone having a rough time of it with their job, though!
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 21:03 (nine years ago) link
hi guys
do u mind not bumping this thread the week I go back to 14 hr days studying evenings in computer science PS yr new job sounds boss mh
― zero content albums (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 21:37 (nine years ago) link
computer science is awesome and is not just programming so you are good
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 21:47 (nine years ago) link
feel like programming is better than it used to be. wish we'd had unit tests and code reviews when i was a programmer, i wouldn't have sucked so bad.
― ugh (lukas), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link
my coworker is annoyed because I get to move back to a cubicle from our team cave and will no longer be on a scrum team
actually I'm taking the cube he had before we moved in here. muahaha
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:00 (nine years ago) link
friend just moved to california because he was hired by facebook.
said friend, for as long as i've known him, used to have socialist and even some anarchist tendencies, used only debian, hated microsoft, loved open source, liked kernel programming, turned down a job at google, and was just generally super geeky.
i guess this is what fatherhood does to a man?
― ∞, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:45 (nine years ago) link
yup, makes you sell out and suck
― Nhex, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:47 (nine years ago) link
feel like if u guys h8 programming so much u shd at least move to ca and make bank
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:49 (nine years ago) link
nah i just dropped out of college instead and had a miserable life instead
― Nhex, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 22:49 (nine years ago) link
i don't think many large engineering orgs are writing new userland code in C proper.
os/device level is another matter.
but C++ will never die, partly through legacy systems, but partly because it's what e.g. pytorch and tensorflow are implemented in. and C is a prereq for most C++ dev work.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 6 November 2023 19:11 (five months ago) link
the closer i've got to ml platform and infra, the more jobs i see that i can't apply to because i don't know c++
modern c++ is actually pretty decent. i picked it up on the side over the past year or so since qt in c++ is the only option for desktop linux applications (lol) that doesn't make me want to walk off a cliff.
i think everyone should give it another look, esp if it's preventing you from applying for cool shit
― butch wig (diamonddave85), Monday, 6 November 2023 21:57 (five months ago) link
I've got back into c++ recently, and loving it. sadly not for any career aspect, i don't think I could handle the pressure of applying it to in a job.
― Ste, Tuesday, 7 November 2023 13:32 (five months ago) link
So, uh, do I need to start thinking about a third career?
― The SoyBoy West Coast (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 November 2023 01:47 (five months ago) link
I've been thinking the same lately, or maybe going back to my second career. My job search is lasting much longer than I hoped
But at least I got a story from it. I recently applied for a position where they had me take this homegrown multiple-choice online assessment which was straight up hilarious - couple questions flat out had no correct answer, couple more ambiguous, and several arcane code questions where they ask what the output would be but you can just execute the code in a browser and see the correct response. They scheduled me for an interview and then I saw they have literally the lowest rating on Glassdoor I've seen: 1.6 out of 5. Thought about cancelling but deciding to just do it for the practice. Place looked awful and all work is onsite. Company owner asked me a few things illegal to ask during an interview. Backend is a software I've never heard of that was apparently discontinued in 2007. They were even hesitant to tell me the benefits when I asked - turns out they have no PTO or sick days for one year, no insurance for three months! They did send me an offer that's at the very bottom of the range I was asking but I decided not to bother going further, I feel like there's no guarantee they'd even pay me
― Vinnie, Thursday, 9 November 2023 16:58 (five months ago) link
smdh JS:
-1 % -1-0
― Selune Gomez (Leee), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:47 (two months ago) link
Fortunately -0 === 0 but still: lol
― the new drip king (DJP), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 20:53 (two months ago) link
unary+ converts an array or boolean to a numberdouble negation converts an array to a boolean
+[] == 0+!![] == 1
― formerly abanana (dat), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 21:06 (two months ago) link
the video silby linked eons ago that's mostly about javascript still pops into my headhttps://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
― ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 21:28 (two months ago) link
saw somebody yesterday claiming
"2" + "2" - "2" = 20
which i guess works if + on strings is append but - is subtract
― koogs, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 22:00 (two months ago) link