The Great ILX Gun Control Debate

for a minute i thought we were on the right track: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nra-open-carry-gun-activists-behavior-downright-weird/

but then: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nra-official-shaming-open-carry-texas-gun-groups-was-a-mistake/

my parents live in a suburb just northeast of dallas (i live in the city proper) and they've seen people carrying openly (i.e. holsters on hips) at the local grocery store. not quite the same as toting rifles or AKs to local businesses, but it's a step in the wrong direction regardless. my question - isn't this kind of shit illegal? why aren't these fools being arrested?

Sorry, Rev. Hearing this stuff gets worse as one ages.

It's not illegal in some states, art.

It's not illegal in some states, art.

but in places where concealed carry is still the law of the land, people carrying weapons openly in this manner are committing some kind of crime, right? i'm not trying to be obnoxious, i want to know if i can call the cops if i see people carrying guns in this way.

some states have open carry laws

In Texas, yes, "open carry" is still illegal. There may be a loophole where if the gun is unloaded it's okay - some yahoos were doing that in California a couple of years ago (gun on one side, magazine in pocket).

In some states open and concealed carry are both legal.

my wife was out with her friend and they saw a dude brandishing an AK-47 on the side of the road, presumably walking from the open carry demo at a chili's

these people are fucked up

i want to know if i can call the cops if i see people carrying guns in this way.

if you know how to dial a phone, you can call them, but that doesn't mean they'll do shit about it. the nra has lobbied through quite a few "open carry" laws in a large number of states, including sidearms (e.g. idiots), not just long arms (e.g. hunters).

Just from today:

MONTOURSVILLE – State troopers in Lycoming County are investigating an early-morning shooting at a party on Weldon Street.

Authorities told Newswatch 16 that Cody Gorsline, 24, Williamsport was flown to Geisinger Medical Center near Danville with life-threatening injuries.

Police said Gorsline was shot in the head around 2 a.m.

Troopers said Gorsline died from his injuries Monday.

Police say the victim had come to Derek Gair’s home for Gair’s surprise birthday party and that the two men went into an upstairs bedroom so that Gair could show Gorsline a gun.

According to police Gorsline was shot in the head as both men were handling the gun.

A new father is dead after what appeared to be a bizarre, accidental shooting Tuesday night.

Steven Justin Ayers, 33, and his wife had gathered family members to celebrate the homecoming of their 3-day-old baby — born on Father’s Day. But the celebration at 2502 Michigan Court ended shortly after 6 p.m. when a stray bullet entered the home from more than 200 feet away, struck Ayers in the back of the head and killed him instantly.

Moments earlier, Charles Edward Shisler, 62, had picked up a loaded 9mm pistol in his residence, adjacent to the Ayers’ home, and the gun discharged. Shisler was in his backyard at 3708 W. 25th St. by the time Bay County Sheriff’s Office deputies arrived minutes after the shooting, according to arrest reports.

Shisler was initially uncooperative with deputies and “extremely belligerent,” according to arrest reports. While in custody, waiving his right to remain silent, Shisler told officers the shooting was accidental.

“The damn gun doesn’t usually shoot,” Shisler’s arrest report quoted him as saying. “You have to squeeze the hell out of the trigger to shoot it.”

FREEDOM! SMELL IT!

We both shot him! Double Jeopardy!

His "Don't blame me! Blame the gun!" defense is contrary to NRA received wisdom, which assures us that guns do not kill people.

Yeah, that's the shit they always pull. "It just went off! All on its own!"

it's definitely possible to accidentally shoot a gun, which is just another reason to ban all guns

http://i.imgur.com/4a7clh9.png

speaking of...

Missouri School Districts Start Training Teachers To Carry Concealed Weapons In Classroom

For a $17,500 fee, districts that opt in to the 40-hour program receive training for two staffers from current law enforcement officers through the Shield Solutions training school. Teachers are required to spend five hours in a classroom and 35 hours on the range with the required firearm, a Glock 19 semi-automatic pistol. Ten districts have undergone the training thus far, with three more having signed contracts and even more in negotiations, according to The Kansas City Star.

unconscionable imo

Who could've predicted that "GUNS EVERYWHERE RAAAWWWR" would lead to confrontations between permit holders, I'm shocked, etc.

http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/todays-top-stories/x1736693358/First-day-of-new-gun-law-leads-to-arrest

I mean why didn't they shout "OPEN CARRY BUDDIES!" and hi-five each other

it's almost like it's unsettling whenever you see someone openly carrying a gun

weird

possibly racist vaguely inscrutable macro that just popped up on facebook
http://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/t1.0-9/10325598_686712828050789_7324895739350886353_n.jpg

yeah good old "you're not helping" politics from the left (also that's been floating around for weeks)

I've been watching a lot of Deadwood lately. Maybe if we build some open carry saloons, the people who want open carry will just shoot each other.

Only possibly racist?

at least in the context i saw it in, that macro was placed as "pro gun rights people, your double standards are exposed by dipset" so the racism is maybe a little less overtly intended

i have a 'if u outlaw guns then only boss hogg outlawz will have guns' joke but fuck that macro

if you take the guns from the citizenry, only rappers will carry guns

One argument recently favored by the pro-gun media and lobbyists is that gun control is inherently racist, because poor blacks need free access to guns to protect themselves and their families from inner city violence. The USA is kinda fucked up.

https://4-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/t_xlarge_l/v1407246777/xmy-parents-open-carry-book.jpg.pagespeed.ic.AsVbFdjifn.jpg

which one is supposed to be the child? also why is bob the builder open carrying, he has lots of heavy tools and machinery he can use to kill people.

no one knows what it's like behind blue eyes

fuck man, everyone here seems to have mistaken guns for their goddamn lungs or something, it is completely impossible to float the idea that they are hurting people. everyone is apparently in chains unless they own a gun, such is the pathology of us culture. they are all in chains but a stick isnt going to help w that.

choice to use police e-fit style illustration actually incredibly poignant

uzis don't kill people, nine-year-old girls do

Glad she didn't get killed herself like that kid at the gun show in Massachusetts did a few years back.

^^^

it's just bonkers even by dumb paper target shootin standards to allow a 9 yr old girl to fire an uzi.

scratch "girl" and you are completely OTM

I don't know if I'd trust myself to fire an Uzi and I'm an old-ass adult

ha i didn't mean that to sound sexist, i'd probably have said "boy" there too. anyway anytime i've had an opportunity to fire a gun i've politely declined (since i hit adulthood i mean, i fired a few in my teenage years.) those things terrify me.

Ronald Scott, a firearms safety expert, said ........ "You can't give a 9-year-old an Uzi and expect her to control it,"

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why is the limit even 10 years old? Do you really gain Uzi touting ability in that one year?

Congrats to those parents, though, for scarring the child with the experience of killing a man when she's this young.

The video is horrifying

america is horrifying!

she was no angel.

Congrats to those parents, though, for scarring the child with the experience of killing a man when she's this young.

my first thought when i heard the story this morning.

so stupid

How on earth are you allowed to set up shop as a family attraction based around firing military grade automatic weaponry

there's a sign for a place in Green Bay called "Family Shooting Academy" that I always laugh at. cute logo:

http://img2.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/280/media/images/Family_Shooting_Academy__329725.png

Danas questioned why the instructor in Arizona was standing immediately to the left of the Uzi, which would have recoiled in that direction.

"It's an awful shame," he said. "He shouldn't have been to the left side of the gun... But that child should not have been shooting anything other than a single-shot firearm."

Danas, whose daughters are 11 and 13, said his girls learned to shoot when they were 4 years old, with a single-shot, .22-caliber pistol.

at least use a pellet gun, sheesh