R. Kelly: Ongoing Legal Process

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Good thing you deleted that post, I hope Marcello realizes this sort of bullshit isn't tolerated on ILX anymore.

aw what did i miss :[

"that dude"

Taking up Flex's point about copping some responsibility, why do you think others (industry, DJs, Jay-Z) were comfortable for so long with him when it wasn't a well-kept secret in the first place? Was it just C.R.E.A.M (and the fact he's not on top anymore)? Was there a sense that his private life was private, or just that he wasn't going much further than the regular sex-with-groupies? How does this case work alongside hip hop masculinity / sexuality? Oh no! I just asked for some undergrad Cult. Studies essay...

Taking up Flex's point about copping some responsibility, why do you think others (industry, DJs, Jay-Z) were comfortable for so long with him when it wasn't a well-kept secret in the first place? Was it just C.R.E.A.M (and the fact he's not on top anymore)? Was there a sense that his private life was private, or just that he wasn't going much further than the regular sex-with-groupies? How does this case work alongside hip hop masculinity / sexuality? Oh no! I just asked for some undergrad Cult. Studies essay...

― paulhw, Thursday, September 25, 2008 4:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

Also keep in mind that industry types, especially rap industry types, are shady characters. This child porn charge is a stand-out, to be sure, but shootouts among entourages, gun charges, anddrugs all around the industry don't really make for a soapbox that anyone can preach to R Kelly from. Dangling modifier. I'll be tmost of his buddies just thought she was another groupie - a little young, sure, they don't really go for them like that - but a groupie nonetheless. I'll bet a lot of them even didn't know he liked that. Plus I'll bet people like label dealers and his agent are pretty much just all about the money like you said. And he's still making hits, so, shit, everyone wins, except the girl that got peed on.

what experience do you have with "rap industry types" exactly...?

maybe he's a rapper :)

everyone wins, except the girl that got peed on.

Probably already been posted but what the hey:

When you say teenage, how old we talkin'?

thanx i wanted to post that with the flex one but couldn't find it

Wtf @ this thread

very happy about the verdict here

Don't forget about can't pee on u

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimderogatis/parents-told-police-r-kelly-is-keeping-women-in-a-cult

http://www.avclub.com/article/one-r-kellys-alleged-victims-says-he-paid-her-not--259765

This remains horrendous.

Wtf @ this thread

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, December 20, 2013 10:40 AM (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i dunno about right or wrong but Ilx used to be at least interesting. Now its the same vaginal-male perspective you get literally everywhere else

whut

listen I'm just a regular guy, I put my vagina on one leg at a time like everybody else

also lol @ my shaggs/keef dn not my best work

"Internet liberal" might be a better/less self-consciously aggressive term but it does feel a lot more unified politically than it used to. A lot of positions on issues, it's just taken for granted we all agree, there's less discussion. Not sure I mind really, "discussions" used to get p fractious and unpleasant.

i dunno about right or wrong but Ilx used to be at least interesting. Now its the same vaginal-male perspective you get literally everywhere else

― sleepingbag, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 02:29 (ten hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ah, for the good old days when people were straight-up underage rape apologists.

https://news.avclub.com/lifetime-is-taking-on-r-kelly-with-a-docuseries-and-mo-1825860397

lol Lifetime, so brave, surely they are doing this in order to damage his career rather than profit off of it

Embattled R&B star R Kelly has been filmed telling a room full of people it is "too late" for his musical influence to be curtailed.

The video was originally uploaded to Facebook on 17 May, as the singer faced fresh allegations of sexual misconduct.

"I'm handcuffed by my destiny," he says, clutching a cigar. "They should've did this [expletive] 30 years ago.

"It's too late. The music has been injected into the world."

well he's right about that

otoh, legacies can be erased

i don't think R Kelly is going to get many new fans down the road, that's one way to do it.

on the other hand, it's crazy what fans will say to defend him, how they'll still believe he's being railroaded or even did nothing wrong.

BREAKING: Embattled R&B superstar R. Kelly was charged with 10 counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse in Cook County Friday morning, records show. https://t.co/H7k2Ind5F7

— Chicago Sun-Times (@Suntimes) February 22, 2019

That only took ... years and years of inaction and unrepentant repugnant behavior.

don't forget the michael jackson-style messianic self-aggrandizing songs!

What in the everloving fuck @ this thread.

lol Lifetime, so brave, surely they are doing this in order to damage his career rather than profit off of it

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, May 8, 2018 11:11 AM (nine months ago)

Damn, Shakey, this was cynical!

that's a weird comment

why not both?

Beyond why not both, they also undoubtedly had to factor in the risk of a defamation claim

HBO actually is being sued by the Jackson Estate for airing the "Leaving Neverland" doc (though that's a wild-seeming contractual claim based on a 1992 agreement for airing a concert, in which HBO apparently agreed "not make any disparaging remarks" about Jackson)

this thread title is very internet-2002 in a bad way

Now I want to know what Marcello could have said that was serious enough to get deleted in 2008

don’t try it.

sounds like he is in custody

which record is that on?

Step in the Name of the Law

wau at s clover

cant believe the time before now wasnt now

being loud and mad and red online about how 27-year-olds should be allowed to fuck 14-year-olds without censure probably has as many adherents now as it did then

aaliyah said it best. age ain't... i.e. maturity doesn't come at the stroke of midnight but differently for different people. besides, two teen can consentually screw but not an adult and a teen, which makes no sense.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, June 5, 2002 5:00 PM (sixteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And feminists with their boneheaded equation of emotional and physical harm have done a great disservice in this regard. Yesyes I know I am making enemies of everyone in ILX. Fuckit.

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, June 5, 2002 5:00 PM (sixteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

but we have to remember that things were a lot different in the 2000s

This thread isn’t regular old-ilx bad, it’s some of these people must be on a register by now bad

More props for the Lifetime doc:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/r-kelly-survivor-lisa-vanallen-writes-ny-times-op-ed-1190441

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/john-legend-r-kelly-long-time-coming-1203150150/

(Someone should maybe change this thread title, btw?)