It is now time to fall in love with the King, Felix Hernandez

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Hey tiger, all i've said is "wait and see".

I mean I read way too much about Jeff Francis a few years ago and just today he gets roughed up for 9 runs in 3 innings (sure, in Colorado... but 9 runs on only 3 XBHs, none of which left the yard).

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 11 August 2005 20:32 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah barry, and what i'm saying is, everyone knows that! who cares? what's the point, as a fan, of saying "sure, this guy the kinda stuff that comes along maybe every few years - but he could easily blow out his arm so let's withold judgement just yet". i mean a mariners fan worrying about that possibility is understandable. a gm sizing up that possibility is expected. but me, why should i give a fuck?

John (jdahlem), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

If everyone understands that, then why all the arguments? Gygax is merely stating the obvious, right? As a fan, Felix's story is compelling, but I don't see how looking forward a few years (or a few starts!) makes you a party pooper.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I couldn't disagree more, Barry. The proper course of action wrt a prospect as promising as Felix is clearly to focus on the first thirteen IP, Clap Our Hands and Say Yeah.

Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

He shouldn't be in the majors at all. Until he pitches at least five years in AAA and shakes my hand once he's done, I don't want to see him anywhere near a major league ballpark.

Listen to Dusty Why Don'cha (Barry Bruner), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

You know, you just can't stand to see a young pitcher like that lose confidence in a high-leverage situation. The time and place for him to learn how to pitch to big-league hitters is in the ninth inning of an 11-run game, you know? That's all I'm saying.

Listen to Terry Francona...You Know? (dayan), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link

see i truly don't understand why that statement needs to be sarcastic, daniel


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John (jdahlem), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I disagree with that, Terry. You've got to decide who your best players are, and then play them all the time regardless of the situation or the quality of their performance. Let Felix pitch against the Yankees and leave him in there until the game is over, no matter what. Just like the time I left Pat Hentgen in there to give up eleven runs in eight innings. I owed that to Pat.

Cito Gaston won two World Series ... and you didn't (Barry Bruner), Friday, 12 August 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

FOR GYGAX

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-next-big-thing/

John (jdahlem), Monday, 15 August 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

There's a BP article up too!

"Let's wait and see" (ad nauseum).

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 15 August 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Felix's line tonight:

F. Hernandez (W, 2-1) 8.0 3 1 1 1 11 0 0.86

that's: KKKKKKKKKKKing

God he looked good tonight. That away pitch to righties is a thing of beauty. He got a little bored or tired in the 6th and 7th, getting to a couple of three ball counts, but still, damn. Course his arm could fall off tomorrow, Gygax is not wrong, but in my lost Seattle season, this is about all I have to be cheery about.

jerginsk (jergins), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 04:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Truly an impressive line, but seriously, when is he gonna pitch against a team not in the bottom half of the AL Central (that's not in the middle of a 16 game losing streak)?

6 of the Ks came against the bottom third of the KC lineup, which I cannot be convinced is much different than your garden variety AAA competition.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 05:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's see. Maybe:

Sat 20 MIN
Thu 25 TEX
Tue 30 NYY

And if they give him another day's rest it'll be MIN/CWS/NYY. So, progressively more difficult. That seems good, should keep things interesting.

And yes, KC sucks.

jerginsk (jergins), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 06:49 (eighteen years ago) link

and 5 of his Ks were against the top 4!

i'd like to see him against top competition too but i really think it's all but irrelevant. he's 19, he can have a handicap. AAAA's a natural progression.

so his FB (does he throw 1 or 2) is described as "heavy" - how's the movement?


John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

(oh & in addition to age, remember he's not even allowed to throw his slider, so he's always at like 80%)(if it's as good as everyone says)

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I only got to see him pitch in the 8th inning - his fastball darted in and low to righties. And his curveball had a short, sharp break. He threw 4 pitches to Joe McEwing - fastball high and in for a ball, fastball that caught the zone and cut low, a curveball for strike 2 over the plate, and then a very nice curve on the outside of the plate that got McEwing to buckle his knees for the 3rd strike. I don't think McEwing even swung the bat at all.

F-Her's first inning - 11 pitches, 10 strikes, 2 Ks.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

highlights here: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/gameday_recap.jsp?ymd=20050815&content_id=1171544&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

"hernandez fans 11"

the curve looks filthy when he let's it drop off the table, but he leaves it up a fair amt even on the strikeouts there, maybe employing it in even counts or after a series of fastballs, i dunno. his change looks like the most underrated pitch in his arsenal - like his fb it tails but it's got quite a bit of sink as well. and to see what his fastball is capable of doing, check out the first pitch shown. inhuman, seriously.

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.ussmariner.com/

lotsa good stuff, and this was esp. interesting [but you should read the whole post or it might sound way overconfident]:

"The average hitter Felix has faced so far has a season line of .269/.327/.406. Against Felix, they are hitting .153/.191/.153. He has cut the opponents hitters OPS by 53 percent over what they are against the rest of the league. For comparison, Roger Clemens average opponent has a season line of .256/.325/.405, and are hitting .188/.245/.255. Clemens has cut opponents OPS lines by 32 percent. Even adjusting for opponents, Felix has been dominant on a level that no other pitcher in baseball, even Roger Clemens, has matched."

John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 16 August 2005 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Woah no revival?

From the USS Mariner:

More Felix Fun
Filed under: Mariners— Dave @ 8:17 am.
Because there’s nothing else on the team that even begins to bring a smile to my face, here’s more musings on the greatness of Felix Hernandez.

Through four starts, King Felix has faced 107 batters and allowed 0 extra base hits. How good is that? He’s tied Mariano Rivera for the fourth longest streak of batters faced without giving up an extra base knock on the season, and if his next start is anything like his first four, he’ll stand alone at the top of the list. Here it is, for those who are curious.

Kyle Farnsworth, 125 batters faced, May 2nd to August 4th
Sergio Mitre, 115 batters faced, May 29th to June 24th
Noah Lowry, 113 batters faced, July 26th to August 17th
Mariano Rivera, 107 batters faced, April 9th to July 2nd
Felix Hernandez, 107 batters faced, August 4th to present

The craziest name on the list (which I got from the awesome Keith Woolner-thanks Keith): Shigetoshi Hasegawa, who faced 76 batters from May 29th to July 29th without allowing an extra base knock. Who knew?

Going back to the past 33 years (all that we have play by play data for), by the way, the record belongs to Bob Welch at 223 batters faced.

Okay, how about something else? The chances of different events occurring in any given at-bat against Felix through his first four starts:

14.95 % chance of a hit
0.00 % chance of an extra base hit
3.74 % chance of a walk
0.93 % chance of being HBP
28.04 % chance of striking out
42.06 % of hitting into a groundout
10.28 % chance of flying out

If you want a comparison, here’s Dwight Gooden’s percentages from his crazy 1985 season, when he won the Cy Young at age 20.

18.59 % chance of a hit
3.66 % chance of an extra base hit
6.48 % chance of a walk
0.19 % chance of being HBP
25.16 % chance of striking out

Opposing batters put up a .201/.253/.270 line against Gooden that season. The average line for the hitters he faced that year was .253/.319/.375. In other words, Gooden knocked 25 percent off a normal hitters line when he faced him. Felix is cutting 53 percent off the average line of the hitters he has faced, turning them into a collection of pitchers. People are hitting .157/.196/.157 against him. That’s… there’s no words for that.

Lets see, what else. Among major league starting pitchers who qualify for the ERA title, here are the league leaders in a few categories, and then Felix’s numbers next to those:

ERA: Clemens, 1.56 - Felix, 1.24
Fielding Independant ERA: Clemens, 2.61 - Felix, 1.60
Component ERA: Clemens, 1.64 - Felix, 0.70 (!)
G/F: Webb, 3.90 - Felix, 4.25
BB/G: Silva, 0.5 - Felix, 1.4
K/G: Peavy, 11.0, - Felix, 10.4
Line Drive %: Lowe, 15.5 percent - Felix, 11.0 percent
Opponents OPS: Clemens, .507 - Felix, .353
WHIP: P. Martinez, 0.89 - Felix, 0.67
Pitches/Inning: Silva, 12.0 - Felix, 13.4 (Felix would rank a measly 2nd in the majors)

Among starting pitchers, his groundball rate is the best in the majors, his strikeout rate is second best, and his walk rate would tie him for sixth best. He’s given up less line drives than anyone else. It’s not even close, actually. His rate of baserunners per innings is off the chart. And he’s doing it with less pitches than everyone other than Carlos “Walks Are A Ticket To Hell” Silva.

How about this one. Game Score is kind of a gimmicky stat developed to summarize a pitchers start in one number (which is almost impossible), but its kinda fun to look at. The highest average game score this year belongs to Roger Clemens (of course) at 66.3. Felix’s average game score? 72.3. His average game score in his last three starts, where he wasn’t on a restrictive pitch count? 77.3.

Through four starts, Felix has been a mutant combination of Randy Johnson’s strikeout dominance, Greg Maddux’s control, Roy Halladay’s efficiency, and Brandon Webb’s groundball rate.

His next start is at home on Friday against the White Sox. Buy tickets. Go to the game. Don’t miss the King in action. Good luck, White Sox.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 August 2005 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i might be able to see the friday start!

John (jdahlem), Monday, 22 August 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't revive because I figured you'd say, 'But it's the MF Twins, they can't hit' and you'd be right. Decided I'd wait til Felix dominated someone decent. Fun stats, though.

I'll be at the game Friday. Should be good.

jerginsk (jergins), Monday, 22 August 2005 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Did anyone else try to pick him up off of waivers before I got him to bolster my now sexy rotation?

Leeeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 22 August 2005 21:18 (eighteen years ago) link

No, but I did just pick up Jason "Viva Las" Vargas. Bruce Chen is now for the taking.

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 August 2005 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Damn, I've been watching Vargas too. I was surprised that nobody had taken him yet -- I knew it was too good to be true.

Anyway, you guys can have your rookies because when Halladay comes back I will kick all of your sorry asses.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 August 2005 22:07 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, am I the only one a little sketched out that Feeeelix was left out there for 115 pitches?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

No you're not. f-ing Hargrove. Every time I've seen Felix I've thought they left him out there one inning too many. Not that he didn't still dominate, but what's the point in this lost season?

jerginsk (jergins), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

If I'm looking at the schedules correckly, his start after next should be at home against Randy Johnson.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link

So King Felix, aside from giving up 2 king-sized tacos to the Chisox #9 hitter* (well there goes that XBH drought), still looked pretty classy for the most part. He looked VERY tired after 90 pitches and the walk he gave up ended up coming back to haunt him.

*23 year-old ChiSox prospect Brian N. Anderson. If he can hit 2 HRs off the "Best Pitching Prospect in baseball", surely he must be equally as impressive? Especially since his Tacos Supremas both came off of Felix's "unhittable" curveballs?

So this Wednesday: King Felix vs. Big Unit in Seattle, I'm gonna try to tune in.

gygax! (gygax!), Sunday, 28 August 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link

WATCH THE DAMN PITCH COUNT HARGROVE.

There is no reason for a 19-year-old on a last-place team to go over 100+ pitches in a start after a full season of minor-league work.

David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 28 August 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, how else would the kid build up arm-strength?

Dustyyy Bakeeer (Leee), Sunday, 28 August 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

From Joe Sheehan's BP chat last week:

MarinerDan (SF, CA): Joe, what is your best prediction for the career path of Felix Hernandez? What's the upside and what is the downside?

Joe Sheehan: I think he'll be one of the five best pitchers in the AL for his next 50 starts or so, then miss some non-trivial amount of time to an arm injury. What happens after that is anyone's guess.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 29 August 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

TONIGHT!

VERSUS RANDY JOHNSON!

MOJO DOJO!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/31/sports/baseball/31felix.html

Lots of great quotes in this one:

In the seventh inning against Kansas City, he had a hint of trouble with runners on first and third, two outs and a 3-2 count to Mark Teahen. Catcher Yorvit Torrealba called for a fastball. Hernandez shook him off. Torrealba called for it again and Hernandez shook him off again. "I thought, 'O.K., this is interesting,' " Torrealba said. Hernandez came in with an 84-m.p.h. changeup, striking out Teahen.

"I've caught other young guys before and all they want to do is throw their fastball because that's their best pitch and they can locate it," Torrealba said. "But this guy, for 19 years old, man, that's nice. He's acting like he's been around for a long time."

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Not only does Felix face the Yanks tonight, he's gonna face the A's in Oakland on Labor Day (day game).

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link

THIS TIME IT COUNTS

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

After the 2nd taco that King Felix served up, a spectator ran onto the field and dumped cremated ashes onto the shallow left field grass. Take what you want from that.

And yet he still looked pretty good against the Yanqs, his K:BB trend is definitely regressing but WHIP remained solid against one of the most dangerous offensives in the game.

I think I'm gonna go see him on Labor Day.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 1 September 2005 03:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Allowing a season-high in walks against one of the most walkingest teams in the majors ain't something to be ashamed of.

It was nice of Sterling to jinx Da Unit's no-no, tho - after the bottom of the 5th, he announces that RJ has a no-hitter, and RJ gratiously allows a double in the 6th. Smooooooooth.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 1 September 2005 04:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Impressive pitcher. I was honestly expecting a Pedro-like whatthefuckit's1999 curvball, so I'm disappointed that it's not god-like and merely excellent.

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 1 September 2005 04:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Were those David Clyde's ashes?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 September 2005 12:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I took a bunch of pics of Felix warming up, I'll try to post them here. I was about 20 feet away from him. He looked good through 90 pitches and then his control faded and he had trouble locating anything but his fastball. He escaped a dramatic bases loaded jam.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
No, but I did just pick up Jason "Viva Las" Vargas. Bruce Chen is now for the taking.

-- gygax! (gygax0...), August 22nd, 2005 3:38 PM. (gygax!)

So not only did Bruce Chen outclass King Felix last week, but (as feared) he only lasted 3 innings against the Rangers in Arlington. Can he rebound? I hope so, I took a lot of pix of him in Oakland warming up!

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 03:30 (eighteen years ago) link

no hitter through six and a third. the ball went off Betancourt's glove but was ruled a hit.

jergins (jergins), Thursday, 22 September 2005 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Which just goes to show you how no hitters are team efforts.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't see the whole game, but I was impressed by what I saw (my first time seeing Felix pitch). He had a fastball that would run inside to righties that looked incredible -- great movement, the best you can do is chop it foul or ground out weakly to the left side.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Felix lost his first career complete game bid with 2 outs in the 9th last night. Finished w/ 114 pitches, 2 runs on 5 hits, 4 walks and a no-decision.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link

finished w/ 114 pitches

Hmm, how delightfully unnecessary.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

"It was a fastball, a good pitch," Hernandez said. "It was important to me to stay in the game and go for my first complete game. I'm upset that it didn't happen. No, it doesn't help that it was a good pitch. He (Mench) did a good job and that's all."

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 23:43 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
What a coincidence, I also took pix of King Felix warming up, enjoy!

http://flickr.com/photos/70149262@N00/sets/72057594085666437/

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 19 March 2006 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

And it begins...

Shin splints will prevent El Rey from missing his last start of the Spring.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

oh lordy lordy let's all panic

Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link

He’s got a strong dog game
https://i.postimg.cc/Jz7LHxDR/IMG-2906.jpg

TY FRANCE HATES TEXAS CONFIRMED (gyac), Thursday, 25 May 2023 22:49 (eleven months ago) link


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