20 years on from C86

the Miaow and Lemon Drops tracks are also personal favourites. the Mighty Mighty track hasn't aged well, makes them sound like dirty old men.

c81 listing: NME/Rough Trade C81 (the irony)
c86 listing: http://www.twee.net/misc/release.htm?key=nmec86
c96 listing: http://www.gracenote.com/music/album.html/genblues/b8c3d30f2e0e0ec8d2c19bc0db04c1ed.html

well this was the implication in my crappy post way up there - as most folks of my ongoing constant plugging to get AOC back on the racks via a reissue campaign (ageofchance.com) - or so i thought.

but yes in case i was being too subtle - the AOC track fucking rules it.

Also I think C86 is the only place you can get that version of Breaking Lines - the version on Truck Train Tractor 12" is different.

sanctuary are to release a 2 cd set to coincide with the 20th annivversary.

the cd86 comp will be released in oct (track lsiting below)

primal scream - velocity girl
the servants - the sun a small star
hurrah - around and around
the loft - why does the rain
east village - vibrato
the sea urchins - pristine christine
the siddeleys - what went wrong this time
another sunny day - anorak city
the clouds - get out of my dream
the boy hairdressers - golden shower
the chesterfields - ask johnny dee
the raw herbs - he's blown in
laugh - paul mccartney
the hit parade - you didn't love me then
the weather prophets - like frankie lymon
the june brides - sunday to saturday
the dentists - i had an excellent dream
mighty mighty - everybodys knows the monkey
bmx bandits - e102
talulah gosh - talulah gosh
the jasmine minks - cut me deep
razorcuts - i'll still be there
the bodines - therese
tv personalities - paradise estate

disc two

the jesus and mary chain - upside down
primitives - really stupid
the groove farm - it always rains on sunday
pop will eat itself - black country chainsaw massacre
14 iced bears - come get me
fizzbombs - sign on the line
the wolfhounds - anti midas touch
the wedding present - this boy can wait
age of chance - bible of the beats
shop assistants - safety net
close lobsters - just too bloody stupid
half man half biscuit - dukla prague away kit
meat whiplash - don't slip up
the flatmates - i could be in heaven
the darling buds - if i said
this poison - poised over the pause button
the bachelor pad - jack and julian
the pooh sticks - on tape
the revolving paint dream - flowers are in the sky
the soup dragons - whole wide world
mccarthy - frans hals
the mighty lemon drops - like an angel
big flame - why popstars can't dance
the pastels - baby honey

(this is not a complaint)

Only sold mine last year.

Yeah I have virtually all of it already (the only bands I don't know are Raw Herbs and Laugh). Add Take The Subway To Your Suburb to your list and you're done.

M Carlin is right: no Bogshed, but Darling Blunts present? How fucking high/stupid would you have to be to dig that?

I have 2 Bogshed records, I'd have rather put them on there than, say, Mighty Lemon Drops, but there you go.

for more AOC insight into the whole C86 groove :

http://ireallylovemusic.co.uk/interviews/irlm_vs_aoc.html

shameless i know, but hey, it is relevant.

In response to a request above, there's full tracklistings of the NME tapes of the 80s, from C81 all the way to Indie City (1988), at the following:

http://bazooka81.livejournal.com/

Includes artwork and commentary on each tape.

That's a great page.

Some illuminations, some opinions you may or may not violently dis/agree with, but it's a useful way of finding out (for me, anyway), which ones I missed.

"I dreamed I was Elvis" is a great title, but boy wha a lousy sleeve. Was "design-generic" the byword for a while?

It's great to have the tracklistings in one place. If only that blog has the actual music as well...

i love the c86 compilation. i really do (i'm into tons of other shit, though). but, yeah, the third post in this thread = otm x 1,000,000.

oh, but wait. i'm talking about shit like shop assistants, though (i like 'em). let's not mess with ron johnson bands here.

The (majority of the) people on C86 were (at least) 5 years younger than those on C81, so is it really so surprising that they "sounded like bands who'd listened almost exclusively to postpunk"? After all, it's what they grew up with...

You had your Right But Repulsive roundheads on one side – the volubly politicised Soul fans (biggest error: their belief that hip-hop was inherently left-wing, rather than, for the most part, brutally and rapaciously capitalist). On the other, you had the Wrong But Romantic cavaliers, who still believed in Rock as profound and redemptive and allied to something like the counter-cultures of previous rock eras (biggest error: thinking that The Long Ryders were the future of anything).

!!

the third post in this thread = otm x 1,000,000.

No, it's a complete load of bollocks actually. Name one band on this album who fits the description of "artists who took the beauty of Young Marble Giants and turned it into insipidness, "noise" bands with little wit, humor or overt intelligence".

I think it's being overlooked that the whole point of the compliation was not principally to let people hear these songs but to introduce people to new bands (at a time when hearing new stuff was not particularly easy). Folks who listened to this went out and bought records like "George Best", "Sonic Flower Groove", "Quirk Out", "I Am A Wallet", "1000 Years of Trouble", "Headache Rhetoric", "Back In The DHSS", "Bright And Guilty", "Up For A Bit With The Pastels" etc - all fine albums. Later on they bought "A Fierce Pancake", "Seamonsters", "Sittin' Pretty", "This Leaden Pall", "Screamadelica" and "Emperor Tomato Ketchup" - all brilliant albums produced by bands included here, or their later incarnations.

If there's not some stuff in that lot that floats your boat then I'm afraid you've permanently run aground.

oh, i love that comp., don't get me wrong here. but, eh, it's legacy has just become more than a bit off putting. i think you got a point in that post there, everything. i really never thought about that, and i'm sure you're probably right. just, all the shitheads i know really into c86 and twee are just bumbling, rockist, ironic morons, though.

maybe my disdain should be directed at a lot of the fans of it. it shouldn't matter what you're influenced by as long as you have cool intentions and catchy songs. i might have been wrong. the whole thing is really confusing and i need to think about it more.

though, i probably do have every c86 record ever made. and, at least as far as artists in that non-"scene" at the time, i really know what i'm talking about. i'll only lump bands like the ex and talulah gosh together for the sake of convenience (and what most people understand), i know their both very far apart. it's hard to talk about c86, when really, we're really talking about two "scenes".

they're*

and, i just love the sound of all this junk.

Wait, what do the Ex have to do with C86?

They were on Ron Johnson records, along with Stump, BigFlame? etc..

Apart from that, no.

Really, I didn't know they were on Ron Johnson. Which records?

I have the Spanish Civil war double single with book, that certainly was.

Too Many Cowboys was as well

two scenes for one. one's ice cream, one's shit-pie.

That Ex single with the book was apparently one of the reasons Ron Johnson went under. Losing money on every copy ala "Blue Monday".

I can see why: It's a thing of beauty.

Found the quote from Dave Parsons, the man behind the label:

"The Ex double-single was a fiasco of Rough Trade's making - they sold it at a price that was lower than the manufacturing cost and because it was reviewed as such amazing product for such amazing price felt that they couldn't put the price up - it sold 15000 copies and RJ lost £15000! Fantastic. The only band who ever made a profit in RJ were A Witness and they have a right to feel slightly aggreived. I gave 24 hours of my life for 7 years to RJ, lost my house, never made a penny and was eventually bankrupted because I loved the music."

That's from sometime ILM poster Rhodri Marsden's Ron Johnson page by the way.

that'll be 24 hours per day, rather than 24 hours over 7 years, right?

Either one seems unrealistic really.

ok, 24 hours a week.

...7 weeks a year.

that's why i say don't fuck with ron johnson.

28 years...

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19423-c86/

mine arrived today. someone really needs to add the 72 titles / bandnames into cddb.

"C87 imagines what the NME compilers might have chosen, had they revisited the idea one year later, choosing music from mid-1986 through 1987."

http://louderthanwar.com/cherry-red-announce-line-up-for-c87-box-set-c86-imagined-one-year-later/

could have sworn that in 87 the NME was covering a lot of hip hop ...

a lot of those i have on those melody maker indie top 20 tapes, especially vol2 - http://www.bandplanet.co.uk/Oldsite/indietop20s.htm

They were part of the scene that included the Membranees and the bands John Robb writes about in Death To Trad Rock. The one track by them on Spotify is on the compilation cd that tied in with the book. Or at least one of the 2 instances of the same track is.
So I think they were in the rockier side of indie and probably had direct roots to punk, though I think they may have been a bit late in the decade for the term post-punk which would possibly fit otherwise.
Venn overlap between several different subgenres.